The St.Benedict Centers, the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney, in the U.S dioceses of Worcester and Manchester do not state that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are not physically visible cases in reality, in the present times. This is something obvious.It is the same with the SSPX priests and bishops and their lay supporters.They cannot get themselves to say the obvious, what is common knowledge.
So whatever is the theology of these two groups(SBC and SSPX) there are no practical exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since we humans cannot see or meet a BOD, BOB and I.I case.This is something objective. It is independent of their theologies.
So we can theorize and speculate about BOD, BOB and I.I.But BOD, BOB and I.I must not be considered an exception to EENS.This is the mistake of Bishop Robert J.McManus and Bishop Peter J.Libasci, the bishops of Worcester and Manchester, respectively.
The bishops have made an objective error and it is condoned by the St. Benedict Centers in the two dioceses.
No correction is expected from the traditionalists. This is also the mistake made by the SSPX priests and bishops and the sedevacantists who have had their formation under Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They are all irrational on this issue and so their conclusions are liberal and heretical.The traditionalists make this error and there is no denial from them.
They SSPX traditionalists, theorize about BOD, BOB and I.I and then project BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known and examples of salvation outside the Church. Then they conclude that outside the Church there is salvation.
The problem is that the St. Benedict Centers, make the same error with Vatican Council II. They first assume that LG 14 ( desire of the catechumen) and LG 16 ( invincible ignorance) refer to explicit and objective exceptions to the dogma EENS.Then they reject Vatican Council II as being a rupture with EENS.
So there are two groups with different theologies on the baptism of desire etc.However on Vatican Council II, there is only one group - and they are in error.They both make the same error.
For me EENS, and Vatican Council II is Feeneyite i.e invisible cases of non Catholics are invisible. Since UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical, non visible and theoretical cases ( like BOD, BOB and I.I), I am interpreting them with Feeneyism(according to L.A).They are not examples of known salvation outside the Church.They are not practical exceptions to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
But for the St.Benedict Center, Still River, Mass., which has been granted canonical status in the diocese of Worcester, it is different. Vatican Council II is interpreted as a rupture with EENS.This is also the irrational understanding of Vatican Council II and EENS held by Bishop Robert J.McManus, the bishop of Worcester.
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM,Prior, at the St.Benedict Center, Still River, in the diocese of Worcester, does not tell Bishop McManus that the SBC interprets Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.So the SBC accepts Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS.The SBC does not do it! So he cannot say it.
They interpret Vatican Council II like the rest of the liberal, diocese.
The diocese of Worcester does not have a problem with the SBC community since the SBC accepts Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition. This is magisterial. The decree which grants the SBC canonical status states that the SBC teaches doctrines of the Church 'as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium'. 1
Read that again.
In the original Decree it was said that the SBC accepts Vatican Council II .Then that line was removed.
It is the same in the Diocese of Manchester.This is also the understanding there.The SBC community of Fr. Leonard Feeney is recognised by the bishop of Manchester. For the SBC in Manchester, Vatican Council II is not in harmony with Feeneyite EENS but is a rupture.This is the magisterial teaching for the FSSP priests in the diocese who offer the Traditional Latin Mass.For Bishop Peter A.Libasci, the Bishop of Manchester, Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS and this error is not corrected by the SBC community.This is the 'authentically taught' and 'defined by the Church', 'teaching magisterium' accepted by the SBC.
-Lionel Andrades
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http://www.ipadre.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Decree-Most-Rev-Rober-J.-McManus.pdf
DECEMBER 18, 2017
MAY 22, 2016
Manchester not united
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/manchester-not-united.html
MAY 24, 2015
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary liberalism: same as Cardinal Walter Kaspar http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/slaves-of-immaculate-heart-of-mary.html
APRIL 5, 2018
St.Benedict Centers need to correct their position on Vatican Council II with reference to EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/stbenedict-centers-need-to-correct.html
St.Benedict Centers need to correct their position on Vatican Council II with reference to EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/stbenedict-centers-need-to-correct.html
DECEMBER 21, 2017
Priors at the St.Benedict Centers,USA promote Cushingism instead of the Feeneyism of the founders of the communityhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/priors-at-stbenedict-centersusa-promote.html
DECEMBER 20, 2017
Bishop Robert McMahon Bishop of Worcester makes change in Decree on St. Benedict Center deletes original reference to Vatican Council II ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/bishop-robert-mcmahon-bishop-of.html
DECEMBER 20, 2017
I do not reject the baptism of desire like the traditionalists (Peter and Michael Dimond at MHFM) and neither do I accept the baptism of desire like the liberals(Cardinal Ladaria and Pope Benedict).Both groups use an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/i-do-not-reject-baptism-of-desire-like.html
DECEMBER 20, 2017
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St.Benedict Centers : the baptism of desire is always a possibility for us human beings and only God can know actual cases
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/slaves-of-immaculate-heart-of-mary.html
DECEMBER 19, 2017
In this year of the 100 anniversary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima, 'the dogma of the faith has been lost' even with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and other traditionalists denying it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/in-this-year-of-100-anniversary-of.html
DECEMBER 19, 2017
Priors at the St.Benedict Centers will not affirm Feeneyite Vatican Council II opposed by their bishops.They continue to support Vatican Council II(Cushingite) which is a rupture with EENS(Feeneyite)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/priors-at-stbenedict-centers-will-not.html
DECEMBER 18, 2017
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River,MA have compromised on Vatican Council II and EENS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/bishop-thomas-augustine-micm-and-slaves.html
DECEMBER 18, 2017
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center, Still River,MA, USA,a traditionalist, has compromised
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brother-thomas-augustine-micm-prior-at.html
DECEMBER 16, 2017
The traditionalists are blocking the reconciliation of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) with the CDF/Ecclesia Dei since the bloggers are unable to affirm Feeneyte extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS),which is central to the doctrinal crisis in the Catholic Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-traditionalists-are-blocking.html
DECEMBER 16, 2017
Traditionalists are not affirming the Catholic Faith to protect their worldly interests and are asking for donations
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/traditionalists-are-not-affirming.html
DECEMBER 15, 2017
Without Feeneyite EENS Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with Tradition
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/without-feeneyite-eens-vatican-council.html
DECEMBER 15, 2017
The traditionalists in general have made an error.They have made a major error in theology and doctrine
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-traditionalists-in-general-have.html
NOVEMBER 14, 2017
Communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the USA when they interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/communities-of-frleonard-feeney-in-usa.html
Can you look at this issue without the models used by the SSPX and the MICM ?
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