"The Most Reverend Peter A. Libasci, Bishop of Manchester, announced today that the Diocese of Manchester will soon be blessed with the opening of a new parish dedicated to the celebration of the Tridentine Rite Mass, when the former Saint Stanislaus church in Nashua will reopen. The new parish will be entrusted to the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP). While a pastor for the new parish has not yet been named, current plans call for the celebration of the first Mass in early August. 1
The diocese of Manchester in New England, USA is also the home of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the St.Benedict Center. The community of Fr.Leonard Feeney have been having the Traditional Latin Mass at their chapel and until recently had an in-house priest to offer the Latin Mass.
There are many families in Manchester who attend the Traditional Latin Mass and hold the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The FSSP priests, like the bishop of Manchester, interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism.They are Cushingites and the religious community, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (MICM) , recognised by Bishop Peter A.Libasci, are Feeneyites.
On Vatican Council II however the FSSP priests and the MICM community are Cushingites.Cushingism is a new theology is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
PROCLAMATION
In the previous blog post I asked CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrecchio to proclaim the Catholic Faith and mentioned what I believe on a few important subjects. They are Cushingites (for them there are practical exceptions to EENS) on these subjects.While I use traditional Feeneyism ( there are no physically known exceptions to EENS).The subjects are Other Religions, Ecumenism, Religious Liberty, Nicene Creed,Vatican Council II and Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It would be interesting to see the position of the FSSP priests and the MICM community.
Other Religions
Lionel
For me all non Christians are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.This is the teaching of Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is not a private opinion. It is magisterial according to the text of these documents, and Tradition ( before the Council of Trent) and Scripture.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests all non Christians are not on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.Since there are known exceptions of the baptism of desire and blood, without the baptism of water.
For the FSSP priests all over the world there is known salvation outside the Church.
MICM COMMUNITY
For the MICM community all non Christians are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.
For the MICM communities in the USA there is no known salvation outside the Church.
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Ecumenism/Christian religions
Lionel
All non Christians are on the way to Hell without Catholic Faith according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Orthodox Christians, Protestants and Pentecostals need to convert into the Catholic Church formally to avoid the fires of Hell. This is not an opinion or a pre Vatican Council II view. This is the official teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14- all need faith for salvation, refers to Catholic Faith) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence refers to heretics and schismatics.In the Diary of St.Faustina Kowalski, Jesus also refers to heretics and schismatics. He called for prayers for them in the Divine Mercy Novena.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests who will offer Mass in Manchester all non Christians are not on the way to Hell without Catholic Faith since there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and these exceptiions are also there in Vatican Council II.
MICM COMMUNITY
For the MICM community all non Christians are on the way to Hell without 'faith', Catholic Faith which includes the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church.
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Religious Liberty
Lionel
There is no salvation outside the Church there is an obligation for all people to enter the Church formally.They need to live its teachings and remain in it to avoid the fires of Hell.Christ must be accepted as King and be the centre of all political legislation in a state whose Constitution is not separated from the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests there is known salvation outside the Church. So they would differ with me on the issue of religious liberty.
MICM COMMUNITY
For the MICM community there is no known salvation outside the Church and they support the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation. The also support the non separation of Church and State.
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Liturgy
Lionel
For me there is no salvation outside the Church and so there is no change in the tradtional ecclesiology of the Mass The Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass, for me, has the same old ecclesiology based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The ecclesiology of the Mass however for others is not the same as it was in pre.Council of Trent times. For me according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, there is not change in the old ecclesiology of the Mass,in all Rites.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests there is known salvation outside the Church. So they would differ with me on the issue of the liturgy. The offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the new ecclesiology based on Cushingism.
MICM COMMUNITY
For the MICM there is no known salvation outside the Church and they still affirm the old ecclesiology associated with the Traditional Latin Mass which was based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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Nicene Creed
Lionel
There are not three known baptisms. There are not three physically visible baptisms. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sin and it is the baptism of water.There are no known cases of the baptism of desire or blood with or without the baptism of water.
The baptism of water is not hypothetical but it is physically visible and repeatable.In faith we know the effects of the baptism of water.In faith we cannot say that we know the effects of the baptism of desire or blood , without the baptism of water.Since we do not know of any such case.If there was any such case it would be known only to God. So the baptism of desire and blood, without the baptism of water, is not relevant to the teaching on all needing the baptism of water for salvation. It is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests, like the SSPX priests and bishops, there is known salvation outside the Church. So they infer that there are three known baptisms, water,desire and blood.
MICM COMMUNITY
For the MICM there is no known salvation outside the Church and so there is only one known baptism, the baptism of water.
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Vatican Council II
Lionel
Vatican Council II is traditional for me on the issue of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and the 16th century missionaries.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases and so are not objective exceptions to the dogma on salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.
FSSP PRIESTS
For the FSSP priests, like the SSPX , Vatican Council II is not traditional on the issue of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II does not support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and the 16th century missionaries.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases which are objective exceptions to the dogma on salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.
MICM COMMUNITY
Unfortunately, here the MICM community agrees with the FSSP priests and their irrational view is not held by me.
For the MICM community Vatican Council II is not traditional on the issue of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II does not support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and the 16th century missionaries.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases which are objective exceptions to the dogma on salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.
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Extra ecclesiam nulla salus
Lionel
There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. No body in the past could have physically seen or known an exception. No one in the present times knows of an exception to the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell.The baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical cases.So they cannot be an exception in 2016 to all needing to enter the Catholic Church, to be saved from Hell.
FSSP PRIESTS
There are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. People in the past(St.Emerentiana, St.Victor ) have been physically seen or known to be in Heaven without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.They are exceptions to the dogma.People in the present times (2016) are known exceptions to the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell.However their names are not specified by the FSSP. The baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical cases which are also exceptions in 2016 to all needing to enter the Catholic Church, to be saved from Hell.
MICM COMMUNITY
There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. People in the past(St.Emerentiana, St.Victor ) have not been physically seen or known to be in Heaven without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.They cannot be exceptions to the dogma.People in the present times (2016) are not known exceptions to the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell. The baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical cases .So they cannot be exceptions in 2016 to all needing to enter the Catholic Church, to be saved from Hell.
See the confusion in the diocese of Manchester.It is the confusion in the Church at large.
-Lionel Andrades
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