Sunday, March 18, 2018

The Catechism of Pope Pius X does not say that invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiaam nulla salus(EENS). This has to be wrongly inferred by sedevacantists (Graphics)













-Lionel Andrades



JANUARY 3, 2018




Similarly would you agree that when Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Pius X and Trent mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I were also referring to hypothetical cases and so they are not exceptions to EENS?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/similarly-would-you-agree-that-when.html







Repost : Sedevacantists affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X but not as Feeneyites.They assume invincible ignorance refers to explicit cases, objectively visible in 2016 so they are exceptions to the same Catechism saying all need to enter the Church for salvation

OCTOBER 8, 2016


The sedevacantists affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X but not as Feeneyites.They assume that invincible ignorance refers to explicit cases, objectively visible in 2016 and so they are exceptions to that Catechism saying all need to enter the Church for salvation

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J'affirme la vérité catholique selon le Catéchisme du pape Pie X qui était Feeneyite.

Il mentionne avoir sauvé dans l'ignorance invincible, mais ne dit pas qu'il se réfère à un cas visible.

Il ne précise pas que ce soit une exception au dogme Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus comme il était connu depuis des siècles.

Les sedevacantists affirment le Catéchisme du pape Pie X, mais pas aussi Feeneyites.They supposer que l'ignorance invincible se réfère à des cas explicites, objectivement visibles en 2016 et ils sont des exceptions au catéchisme disent tous besoin d'entrer dans l'Eglise pour le salut.

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Io affermo la verità cattolica secondo il Catechismo di Pio X, che era Feeneyite.

Si parla di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile, ma non dice che si riferisce a un caso visibile.
Esso non precisa che si tratta di un'eccezione al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus come era conosciuto per secoli.
I sedevacantisti affermano il Catechismo di Pio X, ma non come Feeneyites.Per loro l'ignoranza invincibile si riferisce a casi espliciti, oggettivamente visibili nel 2016 e in modo che siano eccezioni alla Catechismo dicendo tutti bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa per la salvezza.
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ENGLISH
I am affirming 'Catholic truth' according to the Catechism of Pope Pius X which was Feeneyite.
It mentions being saved in invincible ignorance but it does not say that it refers to a visible case.
It does not state that it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known for centuries.
The sedevacantists affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X but not as Feeneyites.They assume that invincible ignorance refers to explicit cases, objectively visible in 2016 and so they are exceptions to that Catechism saying all need to enter the Church for salvation.

-Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/video/uU2iW6Fu4Kjp2bAuWC4Ye338y/postings/









Repost : Sedevacantists must observe that the Catechism of Pope Pius X is Feeneyite.So now they know the error. They can correct it.Vatican Council II supports the old ecclesiology.

OCTOBER 8, 2016


The sedevacantists must observe that the Catechism of Pope Pius X is Feeneyite.So now they know the error. They can correct it.Vatican Council II supports the old ecclesiology.

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The sedevacantists must observe that theCatechism of Pope Pius X isFeeneyiteSee numbers 24Q and27Q.1
The confusion for the sedevacantists comes with 29Q.2
If 29Q is assumed to refer to visible cases in the present times; personally known people saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, then 29Q contradicts 24Qand 27Q.This is the Cushingite interpretation of the Catechism of Pope Piux X.There are exceptions for Cushingites.
For me 29Q refers to an invisible case.So it is not an exception to 24Q and 27Q.So the Catechism of Pope Pius X is Feeneyite and not Cushingite for me.
It is with this rational reasoning that I interpret Vatican Council II as not being a rupture with the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition.
For the sedevacantists Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition and so they went into sedevacantism during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II or earlier.
So now they know the error. They can correct it.Vatican Council II supports the old ecclesiology.
-Lionel Andrades

1.

24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church

2.
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation
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Related reports
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston contradicts the Catechism of Pope Pius X
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/letter-of-holy-office-1949-to.html


Catechism of Pope Pius X : Difference between John Vennari and me
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/catechism-of-pope-pius-x-difference.html


I affirm Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology of the Catechism of St. Pius X
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-affirm-vatican-council-ii-with-old.html








Sedevacantism and the old traditionalism is obsolete : new option for Franciscans of the Immaculate and all religious communities

Sedevacantism based on Vatican Conncil II is out.This is a staggering thing to say.But it is not being refuted by anyone.They know I am correct.


SEDEVACANTIST INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II BASED ON FALSE PREMISE
Their entire interpretation of Vatican Council II was based on a false premise.Not a new theology. The new theology was a symptom an effect.So when the premise is removed the entire theological house of sand collapses.One simply has to say that the baptism of desire refers to physically invisible people in the present times and that's it.That's the end.The sedevacantists and traditionalists realize that have made an empirical and objective mistake.So no one defends Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre these last three years.


ZERO CASES OF BOD, BOB AND I.I WERE EXCEPTIONS TO EENS FOR LIBERALS , TRADITIONALISTS AND SEDEVACANTISTS.
I do not need to put forward a new theory or arguement. I simply say that there are no cases of the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2018. This is objective and factual.I cannot see people saved in Heaven without the baptism of water and with the baptism of desire etc.
'Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma EENS, 'said the apologist John Martignoni.
But zero cases of BOD, BOB and I.l were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for the sedevacantists and liberals.


POPES AND SAINTS ARE RATIONAL 
The popes and saints who are cited in long lists of baptism of desire -references also do not state that BOD,BOB and I.I are visible and known in personal cases.This is something obvious, so why should they have mentioned it.
Vatican Council II in Lumen Gentium 14 implies that there are known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance,so LG 14 says those who know need to enter the Church, as if those who are in invincible ignorance, who do not know, are personally known to someone on earth, and so are exempt.

WRONG REASONING IN LUMEN GENTIUM 14
This was the new type of reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston(1949).Invisible cases of people saved in invincible ignorance became visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.So Lumen Gentium 14 tells us only those who know need to enter the Church.
This is the new theology.The premise is invisible people are visible.They are also known examples of salvation outside the Church.
Subtle and false.Diabolical.It worked for 50 and more years.The 'spirit of Vatican Council II', the 'revolution of Vatican Council II', the new paradigm ? All emerged, all formed on unknown people being known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
So now what happens when a Catholic says he is comfortable with Vatican Council II and Lumen Gentium 14 does not mention any known exceptions to EENS in 2018? Since those 'who know or do not know and are saved or not saved' can only be known to God. So invisible people cannot be exceptions to EENS.

CDF SUPPORTED THE IRRATIONALITY
Your not supposed to say this according to the CDF. How can you interpret Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical? It's not allowed. It's against their rules.
So accepting Vatican Council II is no more the issue for the CDF.The issue is how is it interpreted, for or against EENS.
This is the new issue for the sedevacantists today.


ECCLESIA DEI DID NOT WANT TO RECONCILE WITH SEDEVACANTISTS IN 2010
In 2010 I had a report on this blog saying that Ecclesia Dei could reconcile the sedevacantist MHFM,who criticize the popes,  by affirming EENS.But Ecclesia Dei was not ready to do so. The CDF could not state that there were no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which were practical exceptions to EENS.They could not say the obvious.

MHFM AFFIRMS EENS WITHOUT THE PREMISE
So the MHFM which is affirming EENS correctly, has had to remain outside the Church, as sedevacantists.While the FSSP which says invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to EENS,are granted canonical status by Pope Benedict.The same was hoped for the SSPX.
Now Catholics know. They understand.The issue is not theology as Ecclesiastical Masonry would want them to believe.
The issue is deceit with false reasoning. Telling a lie with a false premise.Subterfuge with fake philosophy.And the sedevacantists fell for it all these years.


AVERAGE CATHOLIC UNDERSTANDS
Now when the average Catholic says he affirms Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS(Feeneyite), what are they to do? This is a new theological model and yet it is the old theology.
For example Fr.Anthony Cekada can write articles and produce videos 'refuting' John Salza and Robert Siscoe.Since 'the rules of the game' are the same for them.

SALZA AND CEKADA BOTH USE THE FALSE PREMISE
Salza and Cekada believe that not everyone needs to enter the Church since invisible BOD, BOB and I.I like LG 8,LG 14,LG 16 etc are visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.So Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with Tradition and they need to reject it.Cekada chooses sedevacantism and Salza does not.
Both interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and conclusion - BOD is a visible exception to EENS.Then they decide if the pope is in heresy and sedevacantism is justified.They stand in mushy Cushingism and with this reasoning are not aware of their own heresy on EENS, Vatican Council II etc.(See the definition of Cushingism and Feeneyism on the right hand tags if you are new to this).
But now when a Catholic tells Salza and Cekada that for him Vatican Council II is a rupture with EENS only with Cushngism and not Feeneyism, they do not know how to respond.

LETTER(1949) AND VATICAN COUNCIL II(LG 14 ETC) MADE AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE
When they point to the Letter(1949) he says the Letter has made an objective mistake.
When they point to Vatican Council II he says the Council has made a factual error. Though it can be re-interpreted without the Cushingite mistake.
If a pope a cardinal says that he can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water it still violates the Principle of Non Contradiction.
If every one in the Church violates the Principle of Non Contradiction it still is a violation.
Vatican Council II was never a rupture with tradition he tells them in e-mail messages.
Fr.Cekada responds not with long arguements but a terse,'I told you to get me off your mailing list'.I reply that it was three years back since I wrote to him so how could he be on my mailing list.This was a personal e-mail I sent him,addressed only to him.

OVER THREE YEARS AND NO CRITICAL VIDEO OR REPORT FROM FR. ANTHONY CEKADA
But see the reaction.Over three years and no new video on Youtube critizing me.No long articles.He knows that I am not defending BOD,BOB and I.I theologically. I am simply saying that they do not exist in our reality, in the first place.So now what is he going to do?.
He cannot say that they exist in our reality, 'I told you so.I saw someone in Detroit last night'.Lay sedevacantists and the seminarians will remind him that they do not exist on earth.


NO ANNOUNCEMENT
So three years pass.He does not nothing. He keeps quiet. He does not repeat what is obvious.There are no articles and videos 'refuting' (as Cekada and Salza put it) me.He does not make an announcement apologizing for the mistake.
He knows sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II no more holds water.


GOOD NEWS FOR TRADITIONALISTS
The Traditionalists who accept Vatican Council II(Feeneyite ) will still have their Tridentine Rite Mass with the old ecclesiology in harmony with Vatican Council II and they should welcome all this.Bishops Dolan, Bishop Sanborn and Fr.Cekada could simply go back to being traditionalists.
Presently they all offer the old Mass with the  new ecclesiology, based on the false premise and so Pope Francis and the Masons do not have any objections.

FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE CHRIST TO THE WORLD STILL BANNED ? : NO COPIES AVAILABLE.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate affirmned Feeneyite EENS, upon which is based the old ecclesiology.They did it in their publication Christ to the World.The magazine on mission was then closed down by the Vicariate in Rome.The Franciscans of the Immaculate are not allowed to offer Mass, in any rite, with EENS (Feeneyite).Instead they must say that unknown people are known examples of salvation outside the Church.This was the only way they could  interpret EENS and Vatican Council II and they did not know about the false premise which lay at the foundation.Today they know.
Today they have a choice.So do the sedevacantists and traditionalists.

ALL RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES CAN AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II AND EENS FEENEYITE 
Now all religious communities, and not only the Franciscans of the Immaculate, can say that affirm Vatican Council (Feeneyite) along with EENS( Feeneyite).So they affirm Vatican Council II as is expected of them and also EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century, for example.
It will then be Ecclesia Deo who will have to reject Vatican Council II.But the CDF can no more say that there is a doctrinal problem and Vatican Council II has to be accepted.Conservative Catholics would be saying Yes to Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).
Also the average Catholic will know that the sedevacantist bishops can no more support Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and they will not be fooled any longer.So Vatican Council II and EENS,Feeneyite will be the only rational and traditional choice available.-Lionel Andrades



MARCH 17, 2018




Sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II(Cushingite), with the for and against EENS method of reading the text will become obsolete.Traditionalists and liberals too will have to switch to for and neutral to EENS method.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/sedevacantism-based-on-vatican-council.html



MARCH 17, 2018



Where do you fit in?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/where-do-you-fit-in.html





MARCH 17, 2018






Liberalism based on Cushingite Vatican Council II is obsolete.The average Catholic, the rank and file Catholic is intelligent enough to know what is rational and who is faking it. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/liberalism-based-on-cushingite-vatican.html