Saturday, March 10, 2018

Since Cardinal Ladaria makes a mistake on BOD, BOB and I.I he also confused LG 8 as being an exception to EENS at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo


Is the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood( BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I)  theoretical, imaginary,unknown in personal cases and speculative for you in 2018?
Were they the same for you throughout your life, ask yourself?
Looking at it from another way BOD, BOB and I.I never ever referred to a concrete person whom I know, or knew, who had been saved as such,  or who had been saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. It has never referred to a person whose name and surname I would know or have known. It has never been someone whom I could physically see on earth.I guess its the same for all human beings.
But it was not so for Cardinal Ladaria.

CARDINAL LADARIA'S MISTAKE IS ALSO THERE IN THE ITC THEOLOGICAL PAPERS
This was the mistake Cardinal Luiz Ladaria made at the Press Conference on March 1 on Placuit Deo.Since he confuses BOD, BOB and I.I as referring to a concrete person and not someone theoretical and imaginary,there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus for him(See Christianity and the World Religions of the International Theological Commission. He was the President). So the Church no more teaches the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation in the Catholic Church for him.

AT VATICAN COUNCIL II THEY MADE THE SAME MISTAKE
Hypothetical cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I were also non hypothetical cases for the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II. So for them Lumen Gentium 8,which really is hypothetical, was not hypothetical but a concrete case of someone saved outside the Church.
FOR CARDINAL LADARIA LUMEN GENTIUM 8 WAS NOT THEORETICAL
Similarly for Cardinal Ladaria, Lumen Gentium 8 was not theoretical, imaginary, unknown in personal cases and speculative in 2018.Since it was an exception to EENS for him. So he told the lady journalist from the Associated Press that there is no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

FOR ME LUMEN GENTIUM 8 IS THEORETICAL
I physically cannot see people saved in BOD,BOB and I.I nor in LG 8, LG 16 etc.I can only accept them theoretically, speculatively,hypothetically, subjectively, as a concept.So I also in faith believe in the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.It is not an either-or case for me.

NO CLASH FOR ME BETWEEN LUMEN GENTIUM 8 AND EENS
So there is no clash for me between Lumen Gentium 8 and the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BOD, BOB AND I.I OR EENS
For me it does not have to be BOD, BOB and I.I or EENS. It can be theoretical for us BOD, BOB and I.I and the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.They are compatible.
Similarly it does not have to be LG 8 or EENs. It can be theoretical for us LG 8 along with the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. They are compatible.

FOR CARDINAL LADARIA IT WAS EITHER-OR
For Cardinal Ladaria it was either-or. Either LG 8 or EENS.Since LG 8 did not refer to theoretical cases for him.He was indirectly telling that journalist that it had to be Lumen Gentium 8 or the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.This was his mistake.He referred to a known person saved outside the Church when there cannot be such a known person for us humans.People who are saved in Heaven are known only to God.

Now religious communities and lay movements, in fact all Catholics, can avoid the error of Cardinal Ladaria on March 1,2018.
-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 10, 2018

The SSPX must tell Cardinal Ladaria that they want to affirm Vatican Council II with LG 8 not being an exception to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church

Repost : Schismatic Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith: We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes

MARCH 6, 2018

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Schismatic Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith: We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes


Schismatic CardinalLuiz Ladaria s.j does not have the faith.He has accepted the schismatic Letter of the Holy Office 1949which infers thatunknown people are known exceptions to the traditional teaching, on the Catholic Church having the superiority in salvation. 1

He then interprets Vatican Council II with  hypothetical references being non hypothetical.He uses the invisible people are visible premise. If he avoided this error Vatican Council II would not be a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

So at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo, last Thursday, in response to the question by a lady journalist from the Associated Press, he projected Lumen Gentium 8 as an exception to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.There was no superiority of the Catholic Church in salvation for him.  

Unlike me he interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a rupture with the dogma EENSand the old ecclesiology of the Church. He does this by assuming references to invisible people are not visible. They are examples of salvation outside the Church,for Cardinal Ladaria, even though no one knows them in real life.3

This is how Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger  also reasons. It is expressed in the theological papers of the International Theological Commission and also in  Redemptoris Missio and Dominus.





We need to ask the CDF and the Conferences of Catholic Bishops to interpret magisterial documents rationally.Then there is no schism with the past popes.
We need to ask all Catholic religious communities to do the same.
-Lionel Andrades






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MARCH 6, 2018

Cardinal Ladaria does not have any theological basis to reject the teaching on the superiority of the Catholic Church in salvation.Lumen Gentium 8 is not an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/cardinal-ladaria-does-not-have-any.html




MARCH 4, 2018

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If Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j had used the For and Neutral to EENS approach Lumen Gentium 8 would not be a rupture with the old teaching on the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation in the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/if-cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-had-used.html


 MARCH 3, 2018

Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, Cardinal Muller's Replacement at the CDF

Hilary White like Cardinal Ladaria interprets Vatican Council II with the for and against EENS method instead of the for and neutral to EENS method.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/hilary-white-like-cardinal-ladaria.html

JANUARY 26, 2018

Hilary White and Massimo Faggioli interpret the Catechism, Vatican Council II and Letter of the Holy Office with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical : so there is a rupture with Tradition (with graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/hilary-white-and-massimo-faggioli.html




Repost : Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j made a mistake on March 1,2018 at the Press Conference on Placuito Deo and there is no denial from the Vatican : his error is objective and obvious.

 MARCH 9, 2018

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j made a mistake on March 1,2018 at the Press Conference on Placuito Deo and there is no denial from the Vatican : his error is objective and obvious.


Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j  made a mistake on March 1,2018  at the Press Conference onPlacuit  Deo and there is no denial from the Vatican.No one from the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith defends him. Since his error is objective and obvious. It was known a long time ago but he persists since there is no opposition.
Lumen Gentium 8 is not an exception to the old teaching on the Catholic Church having the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.
I repeat, Lumen Gentium  8 refers to hypothetical cases and so are not exceptions to all needing to be incorporated in the Catholic Church in 2018 as members for salvation.
Lumen Gentium 8 refers to theoretical cases, speculative possibilities which  can be only be known to God. So Lumen Gentium 8 never ever was relevant to 'the strict interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Cardinal Ladaria should not have mentioned Lumen Gentium 8 when the lady journalist from the Associated Press asked him about the past exclusivist understanding of salvation and the Church having  the fullness
 of truth.
The Prefect of the CDF made a mistake and the Vatican's public relations director ended the Press Conference quickly.

Objectively there can be no exceptions to EENS.Since practical exceptions to EENS if they existed could only be known  to God.LG 8,LG 16,LG 14,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not exceptions or relevant  to EENS for me. 
Now all Catholics, especially the religious communities and lay movements, can proclaim the Gospel and have Mission programs knowing that all Protestants, Pentecostals and Orthodox Christians need to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell( for salvation).It is the same for all Jews and Muslims and other non Christians.
The majority of people on earth are on the way to Hell since they without faith and baptism(Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II).Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for 
salvation.All.
Vatican Council II does not mention any exceptions.LG 8, LG 16 ,LG 14 etc are not exceptions.This was the mistake of Cardinal Ladaria on March 1, 2018 and also in two  theological papers of the International Theological Commission ( Christianity and the World Religions (1997), The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptised, 2007).

 So according to Vatican Council II (interpreted rationally) we are back to the old ecclesiology of the Church.The teachings of the Church before and after Vatican Council II are now the same.
Cardinal Ladaria and Pope Francis must be asked to confirm the obvious:-
1.Invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are not visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2018?
2.Invisible for us cases of LG 8, LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not visible exceptions to EENS in 2018 ?
3.There are no practical exceptions to EENS.We cannot meet or see someone in the present times (2018) who is saved outside the Catholic Church?

4.Since Lumen Gentium 8 is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for Cardinal Ladaria he implies that LG 9 refers to known people saved outside the Church? Invisible people are visible for him?
5.Cardinal Ladaria made a doctrinal error on March 1,2018  at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo when in response to a question from a journalist he suggested Lumen Gentium 8  was an exception to the old exclusvist ecclesiology ?.

-Lionel Andrades

Repost : It's official : the present Magisterium is in schism doctrinally and they admit it in public

MARCH 7, 2018


It's official : the present Magisterium is in schism doctrinally and they admit it in public

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POPE BENEDICT CONFIRMS SCHISM
Pope Benedict confirmed this schism in March 2016 when he said in public that EENS for him, was  no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. There was 'a development' with Vatican Council II for him.He questioned the need for Mission since for him there was known salvation outside the Church and this was mentioned in Vatican Council II for him.
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CARDINAL LADARIA CONFIRMS SCHISM
Then on March 1,2018, two years after the popes schismatic statement, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria at the Press Conference on Placuito Dei confirmed that the Catholic Church no more claims superiority and exclusiveness in salvation, as in the past.He cited Lumen Gentium 8  as an exception  to EENS.Since for him it refers not to a hypothetical case but known people saved outside the Church in the present times.This was his take on LG 8 and definitely not mine.

OFFICIAL SCHISM ON DOCTRINE MADE PUBLIC BY THEM
This is public schism with the popes and Church Councils of the past. Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria could have interpreted Vatican Council II as I do. Then there would not be a rupture with Tradition.They chose not to do so even though there are so many reports on line explaining this error which can be avoided.
It is really the present Magisterium which is in schism and the doctrinal proof is there on line.

Here is the proof. It can be seen with the following three examples.Cardinal Ladaria , when he was Father Luiz Ladaria s.j, interpreted invisible and unknown cases as being known and visible exceptoins to the exclusivist e ecclesiocentrism of the past. This was approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.This can be seen in the International Theological Commission' s papers, Christianity and the World Religions(1997),  and The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised,Internaional Theological Commission(2007).

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10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22).-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions 1997. President : Father Luiz Ladaria s.j 
 http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1997_cristianesimo-religioni_en.html

MARCH 24, 2012

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html#links
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41. The semina verbi, "seeds of the word", can be found outside the limits of the visible Church and specifically in the different religions; this motif is frequently combined with that of the light which enlightens all men and with that of the preparation for the Gospel (AG 11, 15; LG 16, 17; NA 2; Redemptoris missio, 56).-Christianity and the World Religions, International Theological Commission.
MARCH 26, 2012
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html#links

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59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.-The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised,Internaional Theological Commission(2007)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html


This is public schism but it is not known to Catholics at large because of the following confusion.
1. It is assumed by most people that there are known people in the present times (1965-2018) who are saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and instead with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I) etc.
2.They assume that the Magisterium was correct and Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong since the BOD, BOB and I.I  are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).In other words they know particular people saved with BOD, BOB and I.I.This is irrational and not clear thinking but this is the common way of thinking on this subject.
3.They assume that when the popes referred to BOD,BOB and I.I (Mystici Corporis, Catechisms of Trent,Pius X etc) it was to known people at that time saved outside the Church.Someone saw St.Emerentiana and St.Victor in Heaven without the baptism of water.Again this is irrational No one could have physically seen St.Emerentiana for example in Heaven.This is important. Since for there to be an exception to all needing to be members of the Church for salvation there has to be someone alive, some one who is visible and is saved outside the Church.An invisible person obviously cannot be an exception to EENS.
So a probability or possibility in the past cannot be an exceptioin to EENS in 2018. Again this would be irrational reasoning.
4.They presume that the Magisterium cannot make a mistake on faith and morals.The Magisterium did make a mistake when it accepted the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.This Letter to the Archbishop of Boston confused hypothetical cases as being objective exceptions to traditional EENS.
5.They assume that the Holy Spirit guides the Church to teach that there are known cases of BOD,BOB and I.I.This is not true.Since in the 16th century for example, the Magisterium and missionaries knew that there were no known exceptions EENS. We can also read this in the statements of the popes and the saints, like St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine who affirmed the 'stict intepretation' of outside the Church there is no salvation.
So it was sadly normal for everyone, when Cardinal Ladaria, made a mistake at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo(March 1,2018).He told the lady journalist from the Associated Press that Lumen Gentium 8(subsist it in/ elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) was an exception to the old teaching on the Catholic Church having the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation.

No one corrected Cardinal Ladaria.No one told him that this was schism.He had a choice.











 He could have re-interpreted Lumen Gentium 8 as just referring to a hypothetical case, an invisible person in the present times.Then there would be no rupture with the past.
-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 7, 2018


I am the only Catholic pointing out this general schism, which is a like a doctrinal epidemic in the Church.I do not use the false premise and so am schism-free.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-only-catholic-pointing-out-this.html


FEBRUARY 26, 2018
When you read the text of Vatican Council II do not read the text as being for and against extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). This would mean you are using the false premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/when-you-read-text-of-vatican-council.html


MARCH 4, 2018

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If Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j had used the For and Neutral to EENS approach Lumen Gentium 8 would not be a rupture with the old teaching on the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation in the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/if-cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-had-used.html


MARCH 4, 2018


Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.j has duped Catholic traditionalist bloggers and all of them are still clueless.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-has-duped.html

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