Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb say there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in our reality : contradict Pope Benedict







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 JANUARY 10, 2018

Pope Benedict needs to recant : his errors have spread throughout the Church.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/pope-benedict-needs-to-recant-his.html

MUSLIM Receives MIRACLE In CHURCH!!!



This is the Conciliar Church for me

Comments from the blog The Eponymous Flower,Germans Have Little Faith in the Catholic Church -- Pope's Popularity Declines

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Tancred and I are affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.
Even Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation.All. Everyone. (Ad Gentes 7). So Vatican Council II(AG 7) indicates most people today are on the way to Hell. Since they die without faith and baptism.
So this is a Conciliar teaching of the Church.It affirms the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.(John 3:5,Mark 16:16).This is the Conciliar Church for me.

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(Lionel: For the Fraternity of St.Peter there is a break with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church but for me there is none)
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I am affirming the Nicene Creed as it was understood in the 1930's and before.
I am affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the Nicene Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I am affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted in the 16th century.
So I am still in the same Catholic Church.
Could you say the same for Pope Benedict and the German bishops and cardinals?

I am affirming the magisterial teachings of the Church over the centuries.I am affirming Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church without using an irrational premise.
For me the past ecclesiology of the Church is the same before and after Vatican Council II.
So why do you say that I am in a cult?
I am not saying anything new.I am a Catholic, the only people who are in Heaven today with faith and baptism.Again, this is not just a personal view,but it has been the teaching of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2018/01/germans-have-little-faith-in-catholic.html?showComment=1515585586414#c5449098148233355087

Pope Benedict needs to recant : his errors have spread throughout the Church.






Pope Benedict needs to recant his errors which have spread throughout the Church.He needs to say:1)  extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) is the same as it was for the missionaries in the 16th century and that 2) the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) being invisible for us in real life cannot be visible exceptions to the dogma EENS as it was interpreted by Fr. Leonard Feeney.
He needs to admit that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II now, depending,if BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible or visible cases.He chose the irrational option.
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He needs to admit that the Church, the magisterium, made a mistake in the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney.Also, Archbishop Lefebvre was correct in rejecting Vatican Council II interpreted  with the irrational premise(BOD, BOB and I.I are visible).It was the responsibility of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF)  to tell him that Vatican Council II could also be interpreted with BOD, BOB and I.I referring to invisible cases.Then the Council would not be a rupture with the old ecclesiology of the Church.Instead Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops were excommunicated for not affirming the heretical version of Vatican Council II.The magisterium promotied the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II with BOD,BOB and I.I being considered visible is Cushingite theology, for me.Vatican Council II with BOD, BOB and I.I considered invisible and unknown people in real life is Feeneyite theology.Cardinal Ratzinger wrongly used Cushingite theology to interpret Redemptoris Mission, Dominus Iesus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents.
Now he must ask Catholics to interpret these Church documents  with Feeneyite theology.They must not mix up what is invisible as being visible.
I write all this not to point out an error of the popes but so that they will correct the error.
When I tell Catholics that Vatican Council II supports the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and every one needs to be a member  of the Church for salvation, they do not believe me.
This is because they have been misled by Pope Benedict and they are all using Cushingite theology.
Catholics say they do not know theology. They are unkowingly using false Cushingite theology and this is not being corrected by the CDF.
There have been questions /comments with reference to the post 'Pope Benedict needs to recant( Jan 9,2018 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/pope-benedict-needs-to-recant.html )     on this blog, Eucharist and Mission.Here they are with my response.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite): CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
Lionel....this throws me....let me explain my confusion with this sentence...
The sentence states, "there are no known exceptions".... but...if God is not limited to saving the elect through and by His Sacraments, then He is also not limited to His saving His elect by and through His Church, which is erroneous.
What am I missing?

Lionel :
The sentence states, "there are no known exceptions".... but...if God is not limited to saving the elect through and by His Sacraments,(Yes hypothetically for us human beings)  then He is also not limited to His saving His elect by and through His Church, which is erroneous(Yes hypothetically, in theory, in faith. Yes as a possibility known only to God)

So in 2018 according to the dogma EENS every one needs to be a member of the Church for salvation and there are no exceptions.
Since hypothetical cases in the past or present cannot be a known exception to EENS. Hypothetical cases ,like specific people saved in Heaven,do not exist in our reality,they are not seen on earth. When there is no case  known of 'God not being limited to the Sacraments', in 2018, there there are no practical exceptions to EENS.
Of course God being God can save someone outside the Church if he wants to but this would always be unknown to us  in specific cases.
It is possible that there could have been 10  baptism of desire cases last year but it is also possible that there were none.
So a possibility is hypothetical and imaginary in this case.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston has a built- in error. It assumes hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc, are non hypothetical.They are seen as possibilities which are objectively known.What can only be known to God it is assumed, is also known to man. In this way it postulated known salvation outside the Church. This was accepted by Cardinal Ratzinger and this new theology( known salvation outside the Church) based on the faulty reasoning( possibilities of BOD etc are known exceptions to EENS in real life) permeates magisterial documents like the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846), Redemptoris Mission etc.

A silver lining is that the error is not permanent and only depends upon the inference. So we can avoid the premise, be rational and we return to the old theology automatically.We are back to outside the Church there is no salvation, as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.



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EENS is not open to interpretation. Providing exceptions, visible or invisible, is heretical.


EENS is not open to interpretation I agree, but BOD,BOB and I.I have been re-interpreted and so EENS has been changed. It is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century, Pope Benedict confirmed this in 2016.

For me BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible people. This is something obvious. Even a non Catholic would agree that we cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible ignorance of the Church.You cannot say that there were 40 BOD cases last year and two this month.
Neither can any one say that BOD,BOB and I.I were physically visible to someone at the time of St.Victor or St.Emerentiana.
So when I say that BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible, this is something practical and obvious. It is not a theology.
When I say that I cannot meet someone saved with the baptism of desire I mean assuming there is someone saved as such he would be Heaven.So it cannot be heretical or non heretical. It is not theology, yet.
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However when Pope Benedict said that EENS was no more like it was in the past and there was a development with Vatican Council II and the purpose of mission was being questioned, since there was salvation outside the Church, he was talking theology. It was heretical since he used the false premise  i.e there are physically visible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I. Then he inferred that these visible cases were exceptions to EENS. So now for him there is EENS with exceptions. 
There is known salvation outside the Church for him. He interprets LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to known people saved outside the Church. So the dogma EENS of course no more exists as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.It is either BOD, BOB and I.I or EENS for him.
For me it is not either-or.
For me BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible and unknown cases in 2018 . So people 'who are not there' cannot be exceptions or relevant to Feeneyite EENS. 
So there is no change in the ecclesiology of the Church.It still is exclusivist.
So I can affirm Vatican Council II and Feeneyite EENS.
I can affirm invisible for us BOD,BOB and I.I and also Feeneyite EENs.
I can affirm EENS according to the magisterium of the 16th century without rejecting Vatican Council II( Feeneyite), Catechism of the Catholic Church (It is Feeneyite i.e with with invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I).
So I am not rejecting EENS, Vatican Council II or BOD,BOB and I.I. Neither am I interpreting the Nicene Creed with an irrationality.
Nor am I a liberal who affirms Vatican Council II(Cushingite), like Pope Benedict and rejects EENS(Feeneyite).
Things couldn't be better!
-Lionel Andrades





JULY 14, 2017


Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi, John Martignoni and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb agree that somebody invisible cannot be visible at the same time

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/ralph-martin-robert-fastiggi-john.html



JULY 11, 2017


Scientist-Benedictine priest who says the baptism of desire was never an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is the new Rector at St. Anselm, Rome

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/scientist-benedictine-priest-who-says.html


OCTOBER 16, 2013

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html



DECEMBER 30, 2017


Repost : Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-archbishop-thomas-egullickson.html

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JANUARY 10, 2018

This is the Conciliar Church for me http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/this-is-conciliar-church-for-me.html

JANUARY 8, 2018

The SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate(F.I) must ask Pope Benedict and the College of Cardinals to recant http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/the-sspx-and-franciscans-of.html

JANUARY 8, 2018

CDF Doctrinal Professio Fidei is a scandal

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/cdf-doctrinal-professio-fidei-is-scandal.html



JANUARY 8, 2018

CDF Doctrinal Commentary – Professio fidei is meaningless and heretical
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/cdf-doctrinal-commentary-professio.html



JANUARY 8, 2018

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Misleading and meaningless Profession of Faith is being made in the churches
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/misleading-and-meaningless-profession.html


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