Comments from The Eponymous Flower
We can also give up the usual way traditionalists and liberals interpret Vatican Council II
FEBRUARY 15, 2018
Reinterpret Vatican Council II with these four links
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/reinterpret-vatican-council-ii-with_15.htm
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AnonymousFebruary 15, 2018 at 7:59 AM
It's not open for "reinterpretation" because it contains errors, if the document contains errors you have to throw the entire thing in the garbage.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
That's a simple falsehood, an error or a lie, voiding the entire document and this is only one example.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
That's a simple falsehood, an error or a lie, voiding the entire document and this is only one example.
Lionel:
There are philosophical errors in Vatican Council II which come from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 but we can still re-interpet Vatican Council II in harmony with the past ecclesiology of the Church, the Syllabus of Errors and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So lets go ahead and do it and let Rome come back to the Faith and let the German bishops reject Vatican Council II as the SSPX is doing today.
We have to make the distinction between Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) and Vatican Council II(Cushingite). Reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite) which is non traditional and irrational and affirm Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) which avoids the New Theology.
This is what the SSPX can do immediately and then ask for canonical recognition.
So lets go ahead and do it and let Rome come back to the Faith and let the German bishops reject Vatican Council II as the SSPX is doing today.
We have to make the distinction between Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) and Vatican Council II(Cushingite). Reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite) which is non traditional and irrational and affirm Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) which avoids the New Theology.
This is what the SSPX can do immediately and then ask for canonical recognition.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,
Lionel:
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that there was known salvation outside the Church.This was an error. So Nostra Aetate says that the plan of salvation also includes the Muslims.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistook invisible for us baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is Cushingite theology.It is a mistake. Yet this was the theology used by Cardinal Cushing and the others at Vatican Council II.It is used by the two popes today.
Now even though this is an error we can re-interpet Vatican Council II.
Just be aware that all salvation in personal cases is known only to God. So there is no known Muslim who is saved outside the Church. The reference to salvation here is a reference to a theoretical and hypothetical case, a speculative case.It is based on the wrong reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. So we know that the salvation mentioned here cannot be a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The Magisterium made a mistake.
So even though there is an error in Vatican Council II, a philosophical error, which cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit, we can still interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors, by simply avoiding the false Cushingite premise.
In this way we affirm Tradition and Vatican Council II and can ask the German bishops to do the same. Ask them to affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus like the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. It is comptaible with Vatican Council II( Feeneyite).
Lionel Andrades
Lionel:
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that there was known salvation outside the Church.This was an error. So Nostra Aetate says that the plan of salvation also includes the Muslims.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistook invisible for us baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is Cushingite theology.It is a mistake. Yet this was the theology used by Cardinal Cushing and the others at Vatican Council II.It is used by the two popes today.
Now even though this is an error we can re-interpet Vatican Council II.
Just be aware that all salvation in personal cases is known only to God. So there is no known Muslim who is saved outside the Church. The reference to salvation here is a reference to a theoretical and hypothetical case, a speculative case.It is based on the wrong reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. So we know that the salvation mentioned here cannot be a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The Magisterium made a mistake.
So even though there is an error in Vatican Council II, a philosophical error, which cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit, we can still interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors, by simply avoiding the false Cushingite premise.
In this way we affirm Tradition and Vatican Council II and can ask the German bishops to do the same. Ask them to affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus like the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. It is comptaible with Vatican Council II( Feeneyite).
Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 1, 2018
German bishops interpret Vatican Council II with philosophical error - possible schism ahead?http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/german-bishops-interpret-vatican.html
February 15, 2018
Reinterpret Vatican Council II with these four links
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2018/02/rome-gives-up-pope-for-lent.html#comment-form
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