Thursday, December 21, 2017

Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX, SBC can have their situation regularised : the doctrinal puzzle has been solved

Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX, SBC can have their situation regularized : the doctrinal puzzle has been solved.
The key is : we do not have to choose. It is not either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Feeneyite.
It is not : if you are affirming Feeneyite EENS you are rejecting the baptism of desire (BOD).
We can have it both ways.
It can be invisible -for -us baptism of desire along with all needing to be incorporated into the Church with no known exceptions.Unknown cases of BOD are not visible exceptions to EENS.
Presently for the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the Society of St. Pius X and the St. Benedict Centers it is either  the baptism of desire or Feeneyite EENS. This is an error.They have to give up this mistake.
When they change their position  from 'invisible baptism of desire is visible' to 'invisible baptism of desire can only be invisible'  their conclusion changes. The interpretation of Vatican Council II changes. This is huge.
Invisible baptism of desire was never an exception to EENS. Unknown people cannot be relevant to EENS.This is common sense.
Similarly invisible for us  LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22, AG 11 etc are not exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.Vatican Council II does not contradict Feeneyite EENS. Vatican Council II itself is Feeneyite.
There are no known cases of salvation outside the Church mentioned in Vatican Council II. Not a single case.I repeat. Not a single one.
Invisible baptism of desire (LG 14) is not an example of known salvation outside the Church.We do not know of any one saved where the true Church subsists outside the Church.We do not know of any one saved with 'the seeds of the Word'(AG 11), inside or outside the Church.Any one saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) or those saved 'with a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men'(NA 2) would only be known to God.So there are no known examples of salvation outside the Church. We do not know the name and surname of someone saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).Not a single exception!
When there is no known salvation outside the Church we automatically are back to what Redemptoris Missio calls the past ecclesiology and suggests it exists no more.Cardinal Ratzinger supported the new ecclesiology founded upon known salvation outside the Church, possibilities were actual cases for him,invisible people were visible. 
Now we are back to outside the Church there is no salvation.There is no known salvation. If any one is saved outside the Church he or she would only be known to God.On earth we cannot say ,'Ah ha! Here's an exception'.
For the first time since Vatican Council II traditionalists and sedevacantists can be reconciled with the Church,they can ask for canonical recognition. Since they can affirm the old ecclesiology without  rejecting Vatican Council II. It is no more either/or, this or that.
Now for Bishop Donald Sanborn it is the old ecclesiology without Vatican Council II.
For the sedevacantist Bishop Mark Pivarunus and the large CMRI community it is the past ecclesiology without Vatican Council II.It was always either or.
SInce for Bishop Donald Sanborn and Bishop Mark Pivarunas it was always the baptism of desire without Feeneyite EENS.
For the sedevacantist Peter and Michael Dimond it was Feeneyite EENS without the baptism of desire.The opposite.But all of them rejected Vatican Council II. 
For the St.Benedict Centers it was Feeneyite EENS but without Vatican Council II. Since LG 16 referred to visible exceptions for them.
For the SSPX it was the baptism of desire without Feeneyite EENS.
Now we have solved the doctrinal puzzle. It no more has to be either-or.
This is a terrific win-win situation.It's unbelievable until you understand the mechanics. Most Catholics are programmed with the either-or confusion.
It is a win-win situation not only for the traditionalists but all religious communities  who do not want a theological and doctrinal rupture with their founders (St.Francis, St. Dominic).It is no more a rupture with Tradition.There is no rupture with the Magisterium of the 16th century. There is no rupture with the authentic magisterium of the past.
Now all this has to be understood.Then the Vatican has to be contacted.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate, the SSPX and the SBC can tell Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.j and Archbishop Guido Pozzo that they affirm Vatican Council II. They accept Vatican Council II !It's no problem anymore. The loose ends have been tied.There is a hermeneutic of continuity with the Syllabus of Errors.



They now affirm the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and the dogma EENS according to the Jesuit missionaries of the Middle Ages.

CATHOLICS DIALOGUE WITH CARD.LADARIA
"But this cannot be", Cardinal Ladaria would say surprised.
'What about LG 16? It is a rupture with Feeneyite EENS. What about GS 22? It is an example of salvation outside the Church.'He could laugh at what may appear silliness for him.
'Yes.Yes," the traditionalist and conservative Catholics would say,'There is salvation outside the Church only as a theoretical possibility.Since God can do what he wants.However there is no actual person.A possibility is only hypothetical. Also there could be a possibility that there is no one saved outside the Church.A possibility is not a reference to an actual person.We cannot know anyone saved outside the Church.So it is no more an issue,' Catholics would respond confidently and happily."There are no practical exceptions in our life time or since Vatican Council II.There are no practical exceptions to EENS. There could be none known in the past too.Since only God can see who is saved in Heaven".
"Yes there are no practical exceptions to EENS.All of at the CDF would have to agree with this", the CDF Prefect would concede.
"We affirm invisible for us baptism of desire.And also Feeeneyite EENS", the representatives of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX and SBC would remind him.
"We affirm hypothetical and theoretical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance along with what the media calls 'the rigorist interpretation of EENS.",they would say boldly.
"Is this irrational for you ?", they would ask Cardinal Ladaria.
"It is rational",he Spanish Jesuit cardinal would reply."Invisible and unknown cases of someone cannot be visible and known exceptions to outside the Church there is no salvation,as it was understood to St. Francis Xavier and St. Ignatius of Loyola.'
'So you agree that our interpretation of Vatican Council II is rational?', they would ask.
He would answer, 'Yes', being a truthful cardinal.
"It is traditional too?"
He would say "Yes".
"So there is no development in Vatican Council II for us",they would note. He would agree.
It is in harmony with the old ecclesiology of the Church which you and Cardinal Ratzinger rejected in the International Theological Commission paper,Christianity and the World Religions ?

"Yes", he would say helplessly, since it is an objective error that they made.
"Is it the official and magisterial teaching of the Church now?",they would ask expectantly.
"I would have to ask Pope Francis",he would say, sadly.-Lionel Andrades

 DECEMBER 21, 2017

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Just one Religious Superior is needed to understand and affirm this and we will have changed the Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_92.html


DECEMBER 21, 2017



It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Understand this line and then change your interpretation of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_21.html








It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Just one Religious Superior is needed to understand and affirm this and we will have changed the Church

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It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

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We need one Superior of a Catholic Religious community to understand this and affirm it in public. He  will then have created a doctrinal crisis for the liberals but more important his community can do Mission like the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.Affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation, with the non separation of Church and State.He will take his religious community, Franciscans or Dominicans back to the past ecclesiology of the Church without rejecting Vatican Council II.He could only know of an ecumenism of return since there will not be any known salvation outside the Catholic Church.- Lionel Andrades


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 DECEMBER 21, 2017

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Understand this line and then change your interpretation of Vatican Council II  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_92.html




 DECEMBER 21, 2017


It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism.html

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DECEMBER 10, 2017



Pope Benedict made an objective mistake in 2016 he supports inter faith marriages and adultery(graphics)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/pope-benedict-made-objective-mistake-in.html

DECEMBER 7, 2017

No difference between Charles Coulombe,Abp.Lefebvre,Fr.Karl Rahner and Card.Muller  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/no-difference-between-charles.html

DECEMBER 1, 2017


The lex orandi lex credendi of Catholics today is based on irrational Cushingite theology.The Feeneyite alternative is ignored by all  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-lex-orandi-lex-credendi-of_1.html

TERMS EXPLAINED
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
Baptism of Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.
Baptism of Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.
Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.
Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.
Council of Florence: One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.It did not mention the baptism of desire. It was Feeneyite.
Liberal theologians: They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.They use Cushingism.
Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II withCushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II withFeeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston: It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.It was Cushingite.
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 ( Feeneyite). It means accepting the Letter as Feeneyite based on the first part,only .It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.The traditional interpretatiion of the dogma EENS does not mention any exceptions.
Letter of the Holy Office ( Cushingite). It is based on the second part of the Letter.It rejects the traditional interpretation of EENS. Since it considers the baptism of desire ( Cushingite-explicit) and being saved in invincible ignorance ( Cushingite-explicit cases) as being exceptions to EENS ( Feeneyite).It worngly assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible and so they are exceptions to the first part of the Letter.
Baltimore Catechism: It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion.It can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.
Catechism of Pope X: It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.It can be interpreted withCushingism or Feeneyism.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) ; It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.This is a Cushingite interpretation.
Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite): It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.It is Feeneyite.
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.It's basis is Cushingism.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite): .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite): It refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite): CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite): CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvatioon.

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DECEMBER 18, 2016

When I meet a non Catholic on the streets I know he is on the way to Hell since he could not be in the subsist it or know or did not know about Jesus and the Church category


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/when-i-meet-non-catholic-on-streets-i.html

 DECEMBER 17, 2016  When I meet a non Catholic on the streets I know he is on the way to Hell since the Catholic Church teaches this : this would be news for many Catholics http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/when-i-meet-non-catholic-on-street-i.html

OCTOBER 16, 2016  Yes when I meet a non Catholic I know that he or she is on the way to Hell since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says so. Also the Catechism of Pope Pius X repeats the same message.Similarly Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/yes-when-i-meet-non-catholic-i-know.html
OCTOBER 16, 2016 If the whole world violates the Principle of Non Contradiction then the whole world is wrong.If you and the other sedevacantists assume imaginary cases are physically visible in 2016 then you all are wrong. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/if-whole-world-violates-principle-of.html
OCTOBER 14, 2016 The Principle of Non Contradiction cannot be violated irrespective of the importance of the people or their numbers http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/the-principle-of-non-contradiction.html