Monday, December 11, 2017

Were the excommunications of Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Leonard Feeney leftist excommunications?: their fault was orthodoxy

All Catholic religious communities can interpret Vatican Council II without the irrational premise of Pope Benedict but then the Jewish Left will oppose it.Since Vatican Council II would support what Rabbi Rosen, would call 'a replacement or supersession theology'.1.

About 45 minutes back I prayed the rosary before Mass in Italian with a few people at the Salesian church at Termini,Rome.I am reminded of a former Parish Priest at this church.The Salesian priest told me that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and I posted his statement on this blog.This was a few years back.He was saying the same thing as Don Bosco. He got a warning.He was not allowed by the Rome- Vicariate and the Vatican to affirm Feeneyite EENS.The Vatican and Vicariate are monitored and controlled by the Jewish Left with ties to Israel.So the priest could not say something which is obvious i.e that cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are physically invisible in our reality.They never ever were an exception to the dogma EENS.
This mistake was permitted in the Church in 1949 about the time Israel got its independence.The Zionist state could have threatened the Church as it does now.So the ecclesiology of this Salesian priest, who offers Mass in Italian, would be the same as the ecclesiology of the Latin Mass in the 16th century.
It is of course not the ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass offered today which takes into account the theological demands of the Jewish Left.Priests cannot speak freely in the homily.The Italian governments permit the local police to monitor homilies,especially those at the SSPX chapels.
23. The Church is called the new people of God (cf. "Nostra aetate", No.4) but not in the sense that the people of God of Israel has ceased to exist.
The Church does not replace the people of God of Israel, since as the community founded on Christ it represents in him the fulfilment of the promises made to Israel. 
Yes the Catholic Church replaces the Jewish religion.Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, LG 14). Jews do not have the baptism of water with Catholic faith at the time of death.But Catholic religious communities are not allowed to affirm this.Rabbi Rosen and others would object and use their weapon, the Anti-Semitic laws.
Another priest, a  diocesan priest  who offered the Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome agreed with me that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance .They are  not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I told him that I would quote him on my blog.He agreed.
This priest was not allowed to offer Holy Mass the next Sunday.It was only after an auxiliary bishop visited the Church did things return to normal.
So it is obligatory for all priests to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise.The SSPX and FSSP priests use the false premise yet it is surprising to see the sedevancatists priests also doing the same,since they are not under the Vatican.
A Brazilian Dominican priest affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions and gave me permission to quote him. He was a confessor at St. Mary Majors.He was soon gone.Even his Confessional was removed.He was prepared for these repercussions.
So when Pope Benedict said in March 2016 that Vatican Council II is 'a development' of the dogma EENS and since 'there is salvation outside the Church' .so why have mission, this was all a big bluff. There is no known salvation outside the Church.




The popes are not being allowed by the Jewish Left to speak the truth.They do not allow Catholics priests and religious communities to speak to affirm Vatican Council II( premise-free).
The Vatican, to protect its financial and other interests would be forced to suspend the priest or religious.
So all this makes me ask why do the sedevacantists like MHFM, Bishop Donald Sanborn, Fr.Anthony Cekada and CMRI interpret invisible baptism of desire as being a visible exception to Feeneyite EENS? Since they are not under direct pressure from the Jewish Left as is the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
Also what prevents Bishop Richard Williamson from saying there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in 2017 ? Is it difficult to state that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre made a mistake? This was the reason why the Council was a rupture with Tradition for him.
Since if Archbishop Lefebvre said that LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, GS 22, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases,then Vatican Council II would not be a rupture with EENS, as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century. There would be no break with the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.This would be replacement and supersession theology.
He was correct in saying Vatican Council II ( with the premise) is a rupture with Tradition.It is.



Meanwhile  Cardinal Ratzinger was not ready to say LG 16 etc were hypothetical cases.So they could not be exceptions to Tradition.He still did not say this in March 2016.Does the Jewish Left want it this way? Yes , of course.
Archbishop Lefebvre was correct.Vatican Council II( with the premise) was a rupture with Tradition.So the Masons wanted him excommunicated for not accepting Vatican Council II with the conclusion which comes with the use of the false premise?
Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct in saying that there was no known salvation outside the Church and they excommunicated him.Did the Masons want this too? At about that time there was the new Zionist state of Israel.
Were the excommunications of Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Leonard Feeney leftist excommunications? They were excommunicated because they were orthodox ?-Lionel Andrades



DECEMBER 11, 2017

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There is no concrete case, mentioned in Vatican Council II, which could be ' a development' of EENS contradicting Feeneyite EENS.But this is not known to Catholics

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17.17. On the part of many of the Church Fathers the so-called replacement theory or supersessionism steadily gained favour until in the Middle Ages it represented the standard theological foundation of the relationship with Judaism: the promises and commitments of God would no longer apply to Israel because it had not recognised Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God, but had been transferred to the Church of Jesus Christ which was now the true ‘new Israel’, the new chosen people of God. Arising from the same soil, Judaism and Christianity in the centuries after their separation became involved in a theological antagonism which was only to be defused at the Second Vatican Council. With its Declaration "Nostra aetate" (No.4) the Church unequivocally professes, within a new theological framework, the Jewish roots of Christianity. While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ, the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel. A replacement or supersession theology which sets against one another two separate entities, a Church of the Gentiles and the rejected Synagogue whose place it takes, is deprived of its foundations. From an originally close relationship between Judaism and Christianity a long-term state of tension had developed, which has been gradually transformed after the Second Vatican Council into a constructive dialogue relationship.
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There is no concrete case, mentioned in Vatican Council II, which could be ' a development' of EENS contradicting Feeneyite EENS.But this is not known to Catholics

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Based on the possibilities are known people saved outside the Church in the present times(2017) theory, the traditionalists have accepted the new theology.Then with this false premise ( invisible possibilities are known people) they interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.
If invisible possibilities (LG 16,UR 3 etc) were not real people for them, there would be no known salvation outside the Church.When there is no known salvation outside the Church for them, then Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) etc are not exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Since unknown people cannot be exceptions to EENS.Possibilities are not exceptions.So the interpretation of Vatican Council II would completely change for the traditionalists.
But for the traditionalists and the liberals, possibilities are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and there are three arguments they bring up 1) St. Emerentiana 2)Mystici Corporis and past Church documents 3)Dismas, the Good Thief on the Cross.

ST.EMERENTIANA
St. Emerentiana was not physically seen by anyone in Heaven.She could not be physicaly seen in Heaven without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.No one on earth had the ability to see her in Heaven.Once she was dead and in Heaven her soul could only be known to God.So she could not be an exception to the dogma EENS in her time or in 2017.There is no proof of an exception.She cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.
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MYSTICI CORPORIS REFERS TO INVISIBLE PEOPLE
Similarly when Mystici Corporis and Quanto Conficiamur refer to the desire of a catechumen for the baptism of water which he does not receive and the case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of his own, they refer to invisible people.This is common sense.They are referring to hypothetical cases.
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WE DO NOT KNOW OF ANY DISMAS IN THE PRESENT TIMES
Similarly even if Dismas, the Good Thief was saved without the baptism of water, there are no known Dismas' in our time(2017-2018).So theoretically being saved without the baptism of water, as in the case of Dismas, is not an automatic exception to the dogmatic teaching on there being no salvation outside the Church and all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members to avoid the fires of Hell.
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UR 2,LG 16, NA 2 REFER TO INVISIBLE PEOPLE,HYPOTHETICAL CASES.
Likewise being saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), elements of sanctification and truth(UR 3) etc all  refer to invisible people in our reality.We cannot meet or see someone saved because of the good  and holy things in his religion(NA 2) or who is Rahner's Anonymous Christian.
For Rahner there was an anonymous Christian since he mixes up what is unknown as being known.
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So there is no concrete case, mentioned in Vatican Council II, which could be ' a development' of EENS, which would contradict Feeneyite EENS.
But presently this is not known to Catholics in general.Pope Benedict has misled them. His Catechism of the Catholic Church encourages this error, though, it can also be interpreted without the false premise.
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When Pope Benedict said there is 'a development' with EENS(March 2016, Avvenire) and so EENS is no more as it was in the past, the traditionalists could not correct his mistake.Since they too use the same new theology with invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc being visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
When he suggested that there is salvation outside the Church according to Vatican Council II, and so the need for mission is being questioned,they should have immediately corrected him.They should have told him that there are no practical exceptions to EENS known to them and so Vatican Council II would also not be mentioning any.
Similarly Pope Francis' moto proprio says he will make saints from among non Catholics.This is based on Pope Benedict's 'known salvation outside the Church'.Pope Francis' also accepts 'possibilities are known people in the present times  saved outside the Church'. This is also the new theology of the sedevacantists.With the same new theology ecclesiastical Masonry approved inter faith marriages and rejected the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.
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No one protested when the Vatican Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews issued the 2015 document  approved by the Jewish Left and Masons,  it stated 
36. From the Christian confession that there can be only one path to salvation, however, it does not in any way follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the Son of God. 
Lionel: Yes they are excluded from God's salvation because they do not believe in Jesus and are not members of the Catholic Church. This is the Catholic teaching according to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Council of Florence 1441) and the Bible (John 3:5. Mark 16:16 and many references in the Gospel of St. John).
However here  Pope Benedict and Cardinal Kurt Koch would come to the defense of the Jewish Left and say that Vatican Council II says there is salvation outside the Church....
It is here that Catholics should correct the popes even if the Jewish Left rabbis come after them with threats and legal persecution.It would have to be explained to them that references to hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II(Nostra Aetate 2 etc) are not concrete cases.Hypothetical possibilities cannot be exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.Unknown cases of people saved outside the Church are not known exceptions to all Jews and other non Catholics needing faith and baptism in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
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23. The Church is called the new people of God (cf. "Nostra aetate", No.4) but not in the sense that the people of God of Israel has ceased to exist.
The Church does not replace the people of God of Israel, since as the community founded on Christ it represents in him the fulfilment of the promises made to Israel. 
Lionel: Yes the Catholic Church replaces the Jewish religion.Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, LG 14). Jews do not have the baptism of water with Catholic faith at the time of death.
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17. On the part of many of the Church Fathers the so-called replacement theory or supersessionism steadily gained favour until in the Middle Ages (Upto the 1940's it was understood that all Jews and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell.About the time of the creation of the new Zionist state of Israel a change began to be made forcefully) it represented the standard theological foundation of the relationship with Judaism: the promises and commitments of God would no longer apply to Israel because it had not recognised Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God, but had been transferred to the Church of Jesus Christ which was now the true ‘new Israel’, (Yes) the new chosen people of God.(Yes) Arising from the same soil, Judaism and Christianity in the centuries after their separation became involved in a theological antagonism which was only to be defused at the Second Vatican Council.(Only with Vatican Council II as interpreted by the  Masonics and their use of a false premise, invisible people are visible) With its Declaration "Nostra aetate" (No.4) the Church unequivocally professes, within a new theological framework, the Jewish roots of Christianity.(It was never denied.It is something obvious) While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ, the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel.(Affirming only an explicit faith in Christ with membership in the Catholic Church) A replacement or supersession theology (These are terms coined by the Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left to attack Catholic mission to the Jews) which sets against one another two separate entities, a Church of the Gentiles and the rejected Synagogue whose place it takes, is deprived of its foundations.(Exclusivist ecclesiocentism is the identity of the Catholic Church and it cannot be changed now)  From an originally close relationship between Judaism and Christianity a long-term state of tension had developed,(A few years back  there was a threat of war by Israel against the Vatican ,it was reported in the Italian secular newspapers, over the issue of the Revised Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews)  which has been gradually transformed after the Second Vatican Council into a constructive dialogue relationship.(Second Vatican Council II interpreted only with the permitted, false premise)

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35. Since God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel,(with His Death and Resurrection Jesus has made a final and everlasting Covenant) there cannot be different paths or approaches to God’s salvation.(There is only one path, one approach and that is beliving in Jesus and following Him in the Catholic Church) The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jewish path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth, would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith. (There is only one path and it is explicit membership in the Church.Vatican Council II(AG 7).

-Lionel Andrades




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