Friday, June 30, 2017

Catholic Apologetics Which Is Non-Apologetical -2
























-Lionel Andrades

Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome is a sacrilege : needs to be challenged canonically

No priest in Rome would want to give his telephone number to defend the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) or to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church I mentioned in a previous blog post 1. In the catechesis which they are permitted they assume that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2017. They are only allowed to teach an irrationality at the churches.They have to say that invisible for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, are visible exceptions to EENS. They must teach that these invisible cases are objective exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church. It is only with this irrationality that they are permitted by the Jewish Left and ecclesiastical Masonry to teach Catholic children the Catholic faith.No priest will give the parish phone number to explain the Catholic faith or defend a pamphlet which says all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) to avoid the fires of Hell for salvation, and there are no known exceptions in 2017.



Parrocchia Ss.ma Trinità dei Pellegrini




They cannot cite Vatican Council II or the Jewish Left rabbis and their supporters in Italy will object. Here is the passage in Vatican Council II which is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441) but it is kept a secret.
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

Every Catholic priest has to interpret the following passage in red as referring to a known case.He then has to infer that this physically visible case, this known person,  is an exception to the passage above from Ad Gentes 7.It is only then he can teach children.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

If the passage in red is interpreted as being an invisible case in 2017 and so is  not an explicit exception to the dogma EENS and the orthodox passage above from Ad Gentes 7, then the  Catholic lay person or religious is not allowed to teach children the faith.
The passage in red has to be interpreted as 1) being objective in 2017 and 2) referring to someone saved outside the Church. So it becomes relevant to the dogma EENS.It is only then that the priest can teach catechism to the children or permit the nuns to do so.
So if there is a lay man like me who would want to teach catechism or who would want to distribute information on the faith stating that the passage in red refers to invisible cases in 2017, the priest will not provide premises to teach catechism, nor will he give his contact number for enquiries.
Why not? Since this irrational teaching is being protected by the Vicariate in Rome, the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Vatican Curia. For political reasons it is over seen by the rabbis Lara and Segni who are associated with Israel.They can use the Anti Semitism card when and however they want to.
So what is being taught to children in Catholic catechism classes is not really magisterial, it is not in harmony  for example with the magisterium of the 16th century. Instead it is political.

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This is the position of the FSSP traditionalist  parish in Rome where the Australian Fr. Joseph Kramer is the Parish Priest. I last saw him for the March for Life with his parishioners.He has to interpret the passage in red as referring to explicit cases.Then he has to infer that these 'objective' cases are physically visible exceptions to the dogma EENS.They would have to be physically visible to be exceptions.So he remains politically correct with the Left and offers this modernist Latin Mass at Santissima dei Pellegrini church.
In catechesis 1) he denies the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS and interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise( Cushingism) and has 2) changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed ( Cushingism) to be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.It is only because he has compromised on doctrine and theology that he is permitted to offer Mass as a break with the ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the 16th century.
Canonically a parishioner needs to challenge him. Since with first class heresy ( changing the Nicene Creed, changing or denying a de fide dogma like EENS, re-interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrationality when a rational choice is available...) his Mass is a sacrilege and is permitted only because it is a sacrilege and a rupture with Tradition.It is allowed by a corrupt magisterium.
I have mentioned all this before and have e-mailed him and the other FSSP priests in his parish.2 No one in the parish comments or denies what I have written. Since their priority is offering Holy Mass at any cost and pleasing the Vicariate and the Vatican.They know that the ecclesiology of their Tridentine Rite Mass is the same as the Novus Ordo Mass.It is a rupture with Tradition.
Also they know that in Catechism classes they are teaching errors.The passage in red above is an exception to the orthodox passage in Ad Gentes 7. They repeat the same error with Lumen Gentium 14 etc.They, the FSSP do all this only to stay in their religious career and not be transferred or suspended by a politicised hierarchy in Rome.-Lionel Andrades


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No priest in Rome will give his telephone number

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/06/no-priest-in-rome-will-give-his_30.html

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MARCH 27, 2015

Fr.Joseph Kramer and the FSSP priests in Rome agree with me : he has to say there are exceptions to the dogma, he has to use an irrational premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/frjoseph-kramer-and-fssp-priests-in.html

MARCH 27, 2015

Fr.Joseph Kramer and the FSSP priests in Rome agree with me : he has to say there are exceptions to the dogma, he has to use an irrational premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/frjoseph-kramer-and-fssp-priests-in.html

 AUGUST 29, 2012
IMPEDIMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/impediment-in-traditional-latin-mass.html

 DECEMBER 9, 2015


The present traditional Latin Mass is modernist
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/the-present-traditional-latin-mass-is.html


http://roma.fssp.it/sacerdoti/

FSSP Roma Trinità dei Pellegrini Marcia per la Vita

Francis Theology: A Theologian Close To Benedict XVI As

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Monsignor Livio Melina, the former President of the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family, who was sacked by Pope Francis, spoke on Jun 12th at the meeting of the Polish moral theologians in Nysa about the controversial document Amoris Laetitia. Melina is very appreciated by Benedict XVI, whose collaborator he was at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

In his talk, Melina quoted Pope Francis' preference for a "bruised, hurting and dirty Church that was out on the streets" (EG 49). He comments: After Amoris Laetitia "it can hardly be denied that the situation in pastoral care as well as in moral theology is now "bruised, hurting and dirty". For Melina, "it is not certain that this will lead to a renewal of pastoral care."

Cardinal Kasper's interpretation of Amoris Laetitia as a paradigm shift or development of the teaching of John Paul II, Melina calls - quote - "a mere ploy" which leaves the question unanswered, how a sacramental discipline that until now was excluded, especially by John Paul II, should now be admitted.

Melina criticizes voices claiming that Amoris Laetitia only regards the pastoral care and does not touch doctrine. Quote, "Doctrine is thus relegated to the museum of precious treasures, but irrelevant for human life." But a pastoral care without doctrine is eventually reduced to a power play, Melina warns.

The opinion, that access to the sacraments should be left to the judgment of each one's conscience, does not convince Melina. He points out that, this way, the truth, based on divine revelation, is subjected to the private conscience. Consequently, Melina argues, that the priestly words in the sacrament of confession "I absolve you" would have no sense. The priest should rather say, "I take notice that your conscience absolves you."
https://gloria.tv/language/S2mQ8XjTcSwL3q8noxk8XEbJo

No priest in Rome will give his telephone number

No priest in Rome would want to give his telephone number to defend the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. All the catechesis they are permitted to do assumes that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2017. They are only allowed to teach at the churches that invisible for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell. It is only with this irrational condition that they are permitted by the Jewish Left and ecclesiastical Masonry to teach Catholic children the Catholic faith.

No priest will give the parish phone number to explain the Catholic faith or defend a pamphlet which says all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) to avoid the fires of Hell: for salvation.
They cannot cite Vatican Council II or the Jewish Left rabbis and their supporters in Italy will object. Here is the passage in Vatican Council II which is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441)- but don't tell.
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

Every Catholic priest has to interpret the following passage in red as referring to a known case.He then has to infer that it is an exception to the passage above from Ad Gentes 7.It is only then he can teach children.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

If the passage in red is interpreted as being invisible cases in 2017 and so are not explicit exceptions to the dogma EENS and the orthodox passage above from Ad Gentes 7, the Catholic is not allowed to teach children the faith.
The passage in red has to be interpreted as 1) being objective in 2017 and 2) referring to someone saved outside the Church. So it becomes relevant to the dogma EENS.It is only then that the priest can teach children catechism.
So if there is a lay man like me who would want to teach catechism or who would want to distribute information on the faith stating that the passage in red refers to invisible cases in 2017, the priest will not provide space in church to teach catechism and nor will he give his contact number for enquiries.
Why not? Since this irrational teaching is being protected by the Vicariate in Rome and also the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Vatican Curia. For political reasons it is overseen by the rabbis Lara and Segni who are associated with Israel.They can use the Anti Semitism card when and however they want to.
So what is being taught to children in catechism classes is not really magisterial, it is not in harmony  for example with the magisterium of the 16th century. Instead it is political.
-Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 29, 2017


Pamphlet problems : no priest available

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/06/pamphlet-problems-no-priest-available.html