Wednesday, May 24, 2017

Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate Fr.Stefano Manelli's interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS was Cushingite : Lanzetta and Mattei also were irrational

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The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must realize that Fr.Serafino Lanzetta and Prof. Roberto dei Mattei a few years  back at conferences which they addressed   interpreted Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism.They did not know of a choice.Mattei wrote books on Vatican Council II not knowing about Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).
Neither did Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, tell them about Vatican Council II, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.Even today Cardinal Muller and Cardinal Braz de Avez is hiding this truth from the Sisters.
So the Sisters must  affirm Vatican Council II (F) and reject Vatican Council II ( C)  and then ask he cardinals to do the same.
Please note that the two founders of the Franciscans of the Immaculate were also interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism. This was a break with Tradition.They did not know that they had a choice.
So they rejected Vatican Council II and believed that the only way to hold on to Tradition was the Tridentine Rite Mass.
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Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I the founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate had approved a book in English written by the late Fr. William Most. It was translated into Italian and distributed at Franciscan chapels.Fr.William Most, a good apologist, however like Fr. Manelli, had accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.It assumes invisible cases of the baptism of desire and blood, without the baptism of water, were exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So for them there were exceptions to the old ecclesiology of the Church,since they were all using Cushingism as a theology and were not aware of it.
Now there is an option for the Franciscans of the Immaculate and they do not have to follow the understanding of this issue as was known to Mattei, Lanzetta and the two founders of the community.
At the same time they must not accept Vatican Council II according to Cardinal Muller and the two popes.If they do so, it would mean they do not know what exactly causes the rupture with the past ecclesiology.
We now have found the missing link.
Sisters explain this to Fr. Stefano Manelli. Ask him to affirm Vatican Council II , Feeneyite and EENS ( Feeneyite).In this way there can only be an ecumenism of return , non Catholics would be outside the Church, all liturgical rites  would have a common ecclesiology which would be the past ecclesiology and there would be unity in doctrine once again , with the Church Fathers, the saints and founders of the religious communities  who lived before 1930. There would be unity with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Now with Cushingism there is a rupture with the Syllabus on ecumenism etc.
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So ask Fr. Manelli to affirm Vatican Council II and be specific as to which one he chooses.Since now we know what exactly causes the hermeneutic of rupture or continuity with the past.It is the use or avoiding of the invisible premise ( invisible people are visible) and the resulting conclusion ( visible invisible cases of being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16), seeds of the Word (AG 11),imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), elements of sanctification and truth in other religions (LG 8) etc, are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS).
Please tell Fr.Manelli that even Ludwig Ott, in  Fundamentals of Catholic  Dogma has made this mistake.He was not aware  of the Cushingite error.-Lionel Andrades




 

Franciscans of the Immaculate accept Vatican Council II with clarifications




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Franciscans of the Immaculate sign the doctrinal preamble and accept Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and ask Cardinal Braz de Avez to set an example and do the same.Clarify that you endorse Vatican Council ( Feeneyite) and reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite).You reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite) of the two popes and Cardinal Braz de Avez. So you do not reject Vatican Council II, as Cardinal Braz de Avez wrongly suggests.
 
YOU DO NOT REJECT VATICAN COUNCIL II OR THE DOGMA EENS ( FEENEYITE)
Also announce that you accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils.Announce that you do not reject the baptism of desire and blood and saved in invincible ignorance, which will always be followed by the baptism of water, since this is the dogmatic teaching.You can only accept them as theoretical and hypothetical cases, since personally, and explicitly they can only be known to God.So since they do not exist in our reality they cannot be exceptions or relevant to the dogma EENS, as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.So you do not reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the Church Fathers,the 16th century magisterium and to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center in Boston., since the baptism of desire is not an exception for you.
 
SPECIFICS
Image result for Photo of Franciscans of the Immaculate with Pope FrancisThe philosophical mistake of assuming hypothetical cases are objective exceptions to the dogma EENS is there in Vatican Council II.It was a mistake since physically invisible  being saved in invincible ignorance was wrongly assumed, by the Council Fathers, to be known in personal cases.It was assumed to be visible.So Lumen Gentium 14 says those who know about Jesus and the Church and do not enter the Church are on the way to Hell,as opposed to known cases of people saved in invincible ignorance.However for you and me these cases saved in invincible ignorance would only be known to God, they do not and cannot exist in our reality,so they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.However Cardinal Cushing and the Jesuits at Vatican Council II assumed they were visible exceptions to EENS. So their conclusion was only those who know need to enter the Church instead of all people in general.
 
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HYPOTHETICAL CASES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS OR RELEVANT TO EENS
Similarly Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance/good conscience) refers to an invisible case in 2017. We cannot meet someone in 2017 saved with a good conscience and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.So LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 11, AG 11( seeds of the Word) etc being hypotheticl and theoretical are not exceptions to EENS.
 
VATICAN COUNCIL II(FEENEYITE) IS NOT 'A DEVELOPMENT' WITH REFERENCE TO EENS.
So Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) is not ' a development' with reference to the dogma EENS.Pope Benedict XVI made a mistake in the interview with Avennire in March 2016.
For Pope Benedict Vatican Council II was ' a development' of the dogma EENS since hypothetical cases, allegedly saved without the baptism of water outside the Church,were exceptions to EENS and so he called Vatican Council II ' a development'.This was the conclusion of the New Theology, that there was the Anonymous Christian saved outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church; without faith and baptism(AG  7, LG 14).So salvation outside the Church was 'a development'.
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YOU ACCEPT MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS INTERPRETED WITH FEENEYISM ONLY
It  must be made clear to Cardinal Braz de Avez that you do not reject Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.You simply avoid Cushingite theology, you avoid the Rahnerian theology as was announced by the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate in November 2016 1
You avoid the theology based upon the strange philosophy of being able to see invisible cases in 2017.Stay away from  the false inference and conclusion.Do not infer that 'zero cases' in our reality are examples of salvation outside the Church.
Cite Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.This is in harmony with the past ecclesiology of the Church.For you there can only be an ecumenism of return, since there is no known salvation outside the Church.
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ALL NEED TO BE CARD CARRYING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH TO AVOID HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II(FEENEYITE)
For you F.I, all non Catholics and non Christians need to be 'card carrying' members of the Church to avoid Hell.They all need to have their names in the Parish Baptism Register to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441).
Since there is no known salvation outside the Church, past or present, and being a Catholic is a priority to avoid Hell, the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation has to be proclaimed.There must not be a separation of Church and State.
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VATICAN COUNCIL II IS NO MORE AN ISSUE FOR THE FRANCSICANS OF THE IMMACULATE
So Cardinal Braz de Avez must be told that Vatican Council II is no more an issue for you and as Catholics you will not interpret the Council with an irrational premise to elicit a non traditional conclusion.This would be subterfuge and deception.
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IT IS AN ISSUE FOR THE PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITIES WHERE THERE IS OFFICIAL DECEPTION
Reject this deception in the teaching of Vatican Council II at the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome and other countries.
 
TWO POPES INTERPRETATION OF THE NICENE CREED MUST BE REJECTED
Reject the two popes' understanding of the Nicene Creed as , 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they all exclude the baptism of water'.Instead it is 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins', it is one known baptism, the baptism of water, it can be repeated and physically seen. The baptism of desire cannot be physically seen or administered.
 
YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH INTERPRETED WITH CUSHINGISM
You reject the Catechism of the Catholic Church being interpreted with the New Theology at CCC 846( Outside the Church there is no salvation) and CCC 1257( The Necessity of Baptism).Those who are saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846) are not known to us in 2017.So this passage is not an exception to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma EENS.Similarly we do not know anyone personally in the past or in 2017 who is saved outside the Church since 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(1257).
 
CUSHINGITE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II MUST BE  TABOO FOR YOU
You must reject the Cushingite interpretation of Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.Cushingite passages, which assume invisible cases are physically visible, have been placed alongside orthodox passages which affirm EENS and the past ecclesiology.Since invisible cases are not relevant to EENS, these passages which originate from the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, are not relevant or exceptions to the orthodox pasages in Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7, which say all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
 For example A is the orthodox passage and B is the speculative(invisible) passage.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a doorB Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him......- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 
I accept Vatican Council II but someone else could reject the Council saying  Vatican Council II made an objective mistake, since it has the above passages in red (B) which contradict the orthodox passages in blue(A).This of course would be Cushingite reasoning.
With Feeneyism these passages refer to speculative cases,invisible cases in 2017.So they  are not related to the  orthodox passages in the Council,which affirm the dogma EENS.
 
 Accepting the Cushingite passages in Vatican Council II as referring to physically invisible cases, makes them Feeneyite.
 
CATHOLIC MISSION CONDUCTED WITH THE THEOLOGY OF THE SAINTS
It is important to go into Catholic Mission knowing that all non Catholics  are oriented to Hell unless they become members of the Catholic Church.All Jews, Muslims, Hindus,Buddhists, Protestants, Pentecostals, Orthodox Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses and atheists , need to formally convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.This is how the saints conducted mission.This traditional doctrine is now supported by Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church interpreted with Feeneyism, which is rational with traditional theology.
 
UNITY IN DOCTRINE FOR ALL RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AND NEW LAY RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS ON SALVATION.
The objective reality is that all need to believe in Jesus Christ and accept Him as taught  in the Catholic Church and that we do not and cannot know any one saved with a good conscience.This doctrine would be common for all religious communities -Domincans, Jesuits, Salesians,Carmelites- and the new lay religious movements ( Focolares, New Catechumenale Way, Catholic Charismatic Renewal etc).
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

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November 23, 2016

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have set a precedent for all religious communities.They have announced that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology.This is extra ordinary. Since they are not denying the Council and neither are they denying Tradition

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/the-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html

TERMS EXPLAINED
 

Lionel: A Feeneyite does not separate the baptism of water from the baptism of desire.The baptism of desire will be followed by the baptism of water.

A Cushingite separates the baptism of water from the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire excludes the baptism of water.

I interpret the following terms with Feeneyism and the two popes and the cardinals do so with Cushingism (so does the SSPX).
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I use Feeneyism and Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Muller, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Bishop Mark Pirvanus, Bishop Donald Sanborn and the sedevacantists Michael and Peter Dimond   use Cushingism.
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For me the Baptism of Desire is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.For me Invincible Ignorance is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.For me Vatican Council II is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.
For me Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.For the Dimond Brothers extra ecclesiam nulla salus is Feeneyite but they reject the baptism of desire which is Cushingite for them.
For me the Nicene Creed is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.
For me the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Bostonis Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.
I avoid the New Theology, while they uses it.
For me the Catechism of the Catholic Church is Feeneyite and for them it is Cushingite.

The present magisterium separates the baptism of water from the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire excludes the baptism of water.I do not.
-Lionel Andrades


TERMS EXPLAINED
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
Baptism of Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.
Baptism of Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.
Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.
Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.
Council of Florence: One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.It did not mention the baptism of desire. It was Feeneyite.
Liberal theologians: They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.They use Cushingism.
Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston: It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.It was Cushingite.
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 ( Feeneyite). It means accepting the Letter as Feeneyite based on the first part,only .It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.The traditional interpretatiion of the dogma EENS does not mention any exceptions.
Letter of the Holy Office ( Cushingite). It is based on the second part of the Letter.It rejects the traditional interpretation of EENS. Since it considers the baptism of desire ( Cushingite-explicit) and being saved in invincible ignorance ( Cushingite-explicit cases) as being exceptions to EENS ( Feeneyite).It worngly assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible and so they are exceptions to the first part of the Letter.
Baltimore Catechism: It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion.It can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.
Catechism of Pope X: It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.It can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) ; It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.This is a Cushingite interpretation.
Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite): It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.It is Feeneyite.
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.It's basis is Cushingism.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite): .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite): It refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite): CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite): CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvatioon.
Council of Trent A Feeneyite does not separate the baptism of water from the baptism of desire.The baptism of desire will be followed by the baptism of water.
Council of Trent Cushingite separates the baptism of water from the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire excludes the baptism of water.
 
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July 7, 2014

Asking the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with an irrational inference violates their conscience : laws in Italy

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/asking-franciscans-of-immaculate-to.html
 

 

Can the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II without this fantasy premise ? No one at the Vatican Press Office wants to answer

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/can-franciscans-friars-and-sisters-of.html#links

 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/franciscans-of-immaculate-are-not.html#links

 

Vatican wants the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate to accept this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/vatican-wants-franciscan-friars-and.html#links

 

Lombardi says Franciscans of the Immaculate a 'delicate subject' : ignores Vatican's doctrinal ambiguities

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/lombardi-says-franciscans-of-immaculate.html#links