Saturday, January 14, 2017

Two popes irrational and in heresy : Archbishop Gullickson, Fr.Visintin osb correct


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The two popes have got it wrong  while an American archbishop and an Italian Vice Rector and professor of theology have got it correct.
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are fallibly rejecting an infallible teaching by using an irrational premise while Bishop Thomas E.Gullickson and Fr. Stefano Visintin osb have detected the irrational premise.1
The two popes still use the irrational premise and so Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is a rupture with Tradition.They are objectively wrong when they assume that Lumen Gentium 16 etc refers to personally known cases.So there is rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known, for example,  to the 16th century missionaries.
The two popes like Cardinal Muller for ideological reasons,it would seem, continue to change doctrine with an irrational theology to create magisterial heresy.2
The two popes would also contradict the apologist John Martignoni and many Catholic priests in Rome.
HISTORIC MAGISTERIAL HERESY
The present magisterium of Cardinal Muller is teaching heresy.It has rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to an interview of Cardinal Muller by Edward Pentin for the National Catholic Register.Cardinal Muller assumes invisible cases of being saved in invincible ignorance etc are visible exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.So he has rejected the dogma EENS whose text does not mention any exceptions when it was defined by three Church Councils. This is  magisterial and ideological and it is approved heresy. 
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In March 2016 Pope Benedict confirmed in the Avvenire interview that extra ecclesiam nulla salus was no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries. So we have the present magisterium opposing the past magisterium.It is saying that the Holy Spirit was wrong. This accusation is based on alleged known salvation outside the Church.There are visible and known cases for them of what is invisible.
With Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) there is no clash with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the ecclesiology of the past.However the two popes and Cardinal Muller will not interpret Vatican Council II without the irrational premise. Since this would create a political storm with the Left.
So Catholics in general , who do not know theology, just have to live with this magisterial heresy.
-Lionel Andrades

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 Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson the Nuncio to Ukraine has answered the two questions on the Catholic Faith on his blog Deo Volente Ex Anima.


Dear Archbishop Thomas Gullickson,
There are three types of baptism water, desire and blood.
You would agree that desire and blood are graces of God and are known only to God. We do not know anyone on earth saved with the baptism of desire or blood in 2012. So while in principle we accept the baptism of desire and blood we know they are not visible and repeatable as the baptism of water.
So I come back to my question:

1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church(UR) ?
Lionel: The answer would be no we do not? Since these cases are known only to God.

2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?
Lionel: So if we do not personally know any of these cases can they be considered de facto (explicit ) exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
In Christ
Lionel

Thomas E. GullicksonNovember 19, 2012 10:39 AM

Lionel, Thank you!
To my mind your analysis is air tight. How can we know what is known to God alone? Our point of departure is Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Est. Everything beyond baptism by water and the word is caught up in the mystery of Divine Providence and God's infinite mercy.

"Imperfect communion" is ecclesiological terminology which says nothing about the eternal salvation of an individual soul. Invincible ignorance goes well for matters of conscience and moral culpability, but otherwise I'd like to think that many people around the world A.D. find themselves in the same situation as people B.C. that is, with no possibility to know Christ. We think of St. Francis Xavier wanting to roust out of the universities of Europe as many as possible for the mission in India or of his urgency to reach China.

Simply said, anyone who claims that in 2012 we don't stand in continuity with the great tradition of the Church or that for some reason we are less anxious for souls today, is simply spinning and has not understood the thrust of Vatican II.
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Xl arch. gerhard muller now cardinal elect with pope benedict xvi

Cardinal Muller for ideological reasons has changed doctrine with an irrational theology to create magisterial heresy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/cardinal-muller-for-ideological-reasons.html

For Cardinal Ratzinger there was no ecclesiocentrism in the past too, since he has used the irrational premise to re-interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.

Nostra Aetate: Celebrating Fifty Years of the Catholic Church's
Well, if you enjoy post-conciliar errors, then, the Schoenbornian Catechism may be an 'excellent suggestion', e.g.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
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I do not adore together with Muslims lone Allah, I adore Triune God. Therefore, I think I will stay with the Gasparri's or Trent Catechism.
https://www.gloria.tv/#1~language%3DS2mQ8XjTcSwL3q8noxk8XEbJo
 
The objective error was initially made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it was assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance referred to explicit cases, personally known who were saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So then it was wrongly inferred that there were known exceptions to the traditional, exclusivist ecclesiology.So an irrational premise (visible-invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc)  produced a non traditional and heretical conclusion( there is known salvation outside the Church).
So the cardinals at Vatican Council II then wrongly assumed that there was known salvation outside the Church.The  Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1995) has picked up this error in CCC 846 and 1257.
So Vatican Council II  in 841(above) suggests that a Muslim can be saved since there is salvation outside the Church. We know however that there cannot be any known exception to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church.So 841 refers to a hypothetical case.It would of course ,in reality be followed by the baptism of water in the Catholic Church since this is the de fide teaching of three Church Councils.
However we do not have to reject Vatican Council II.We just assume that N.841 refers to a theoretical case and common sense tells us this is what it is.It is hypothetical.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent
The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism (No. 2)
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Yes we would have to know the Catechism of Trent and that of Pope Pius X.
We would come across the case of someone being saved in invincible ignorance or the catechumen saved with the desire for the baptism of water which he received or did not receive before he died.We must remember, that it is a reference to a hypothetical case.It is speculation with good will.Personally no one was known as such. It would not be physically possible.
It is important to note that the liberal theologians and even the traditionalists, interpret being saved in invincible ignorance, as referring to personally known cases, saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. They go back into history and use the irrational premise.
 
Even Redemptoris Missio refers to a 'presumed ecclesiocentrism of the past'. For Cardinal Ratzinger there was no ecclesiocentrism in the past too, since he has used the irrational premise to re-interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.
 
 It is like when we say that a Catholic can be saved with 'perfect contrition' even if dies without the Sacrament of Reconciliation. This is speculation since we cannot know of any such case if it did happen. -Lionel Andrades