Saturday, January 7, 2017

Michael Voris -double standards on extra ecclesiam nulla salus


Church Militant - Serving Catholics
For once, I'd like to have a serious debate about what we actually do say: The Catholic Church is established by Jesus Christ, Who is the Son of God, and outside of it there is no salvation...
-Michael Voris 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/the-catholic-church-is-established-by.html

1.Michael Voris says outside the Church there is no salvation but then like the liberal magisterium at the Vatican he suggests that the  baptism of desire is a practical exception.So he contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS-Feeneyite).He will not say that Cardinal Ratzinger  made this same mistake.The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) was wrong.

2.So on one of CMTV programs, with this irrational reasoning he has said that everyone does not need to be a card carrying member of the Church .Like many traditionalists he speaks from both sides of the mouth.There is no salvation outside the Church and every one needs to be a member of the Church in 2017 to avoid Hell but some do not.
This was the original error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The first part of the Letter supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS (Feeneyite) and the second part contradicts the first part with alleged exceptions.It is Cushingite.

3.School children at Detroit are being taught not every one needs to enter the Church since there can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance etc( as possibilities) and this contradicts the dogma EENS.This is magisterial in Detroit and Michael Voris accepts this.For him the magisterium has not made an error in theology and doctrine.He does not want to say that the Archbishop of Detroit and the Curia are teaching irrationality and heresy which is magisterial and approved by the Jewish Left.

4.So with this theology based on the  baptism of desire (possibility) being an exception( defacto, practical) to the dogma EENS he wants the SSPX to come into the Church.He says the SSPX must accept the doctrines of the Church.He means the new doctrines created with Cushingite Vatican Council II and EENS.
With Vatican Council II (Cushingite-known exceptions to EENS) and EENS( Cushingite-known exceptions to EENS Feeneyite) there is heresy.It is magisterial and he wants the SSPX to accept this.

5.This  is a doctrinal error being made by the present magisterium which is supported by Michael Voris and he does not identify the issue.
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It is with this same error that Samuel Freedman in the New York Times report interpreted Vatican Council II.There was no comment on this point from CMTV.He simply had to announce that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16 is not an exception it is not  explicit for us.So with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) there is no change in ecclesiology in the Church on Jews and Muslims.
He must instead accept a Vatican Council II in  which LG 16 is implicit for us and explicit only for God. Here lies the centre of the doctrinal confusion.
The New York Times has interpreted Vatican Council II with the common philosophical mistake.it assumes invisible cases are visible.
6.He is unable to say that the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake and Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct.There still is magisterial heresy. Pope Francis is waiting for the SSPX to come into the Church accepting Vatican Council II as a break with the old ecclesiology.Fpr Pope Francis and the Jesuits Lumen Gentium 16 refers to an invisible and not visible case and so it is not an exception to EENS (Feeneyite).
7.Michael Voris is unable to say that it was a mistake to excommunicate Archbishop Lefebvre since with LG 16 etc being explicit Vatican Council II is really a rupture with Tradition and the Archbishop's conclusion was correct.It was the Prefect of the CDF who should have said that Vatican Council II, without the invisible-confusion was not a rupture with Tradition.Michael Voris does not say that Pope John Paul II made a mistake.
8.The two popes will not say that Vatican Council II is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.Neither will Michael Voris.Instead they all will assume that hypothetical cases are objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the position of the traditionalists and sedevacantists.For CMTV too LG 16 is not a hypothetical case but a 'practical exception' to the dogma EENS.
Pope Benedict confirmed it a few months back. He said the dogma EENS was no more like it was in the 16th century. So this is official.There is a rupture with the past magisterium.The present magisterium officially supports this rupture with the teachings of the Holy Spirit.There was not criticism from Michael Voris and the CMTV.
Michael Voris has said in a recent Vortex  program that he would like to have a serious discussion or debate on this issue. He could begin by responding to these eight points mentioned above.1

Basically, I am saying that like the now-magisterial Letter of the Holy Office 1949 he supports the dogma EENS(Feeneyite) and also contradicts it.This is heresy and irrationality and it is magisterial.
Since there are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for him, he infers that LG 16 (invincible ignorance) and LG 14 ( catechumen saved with the desire for the baptism of water) refer to visible and personally known cases in the present times for them to be exceptions to the dogma  EENS( Feeneyite).So with this irrationality Vatican Council II emerges as a rupture with the past.
If he did not interpret Vatican Council II with this false premise, as do the faculty at the Sacred Seminary in Detroit, then Vatican Council II ( without the false premise) would not contradict EENS ( without the false premise).-Lionel Andrades


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http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-benedict-breaks-silence-and.html


SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

Michael Voris does not say Cardinal Ratzinger was in heresy and schism at the time of the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/michael-voris-does-not-say-cardinal.html

Michael Voris does not say every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for salvation. For him there are exceptions http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/michael-voris-does-not-say-every-one.html

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion ? : ChurchMilitant TV still does not respond http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican_25.html

School children in the Archdiocese of Detroit have to use an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/school-children-in-archdiocese-of.html

CMTV and the Archdiocese of Detroit
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/cmtv-and-archdiocese-of-detroit.html

Church Militant TV's Simon Rafe and Ryan Fitzgerald will not answer : SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/church-militant-tvs-simon-rafe-and-ryan.html

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion : ChurchMilitant TV comment incomplete http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html

Fr.Robert Barron and Michael Voris like most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/frrobert-barron-and-michael-voris-like.html

Michael Voris has compromised and wants the SSPX to do the same

Bishop Schneider wants the SSPX to overlook this theological and doctrinal error in the Church and accept a personal prelature without 'Rome coming back to the faith'.

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Bishop Fellay is being asked to reconcile with Vatican Council (Cushingite) and EENS (Cushingite) which is heretical but magisterial.

Bishop Athanasius Schnieder wants Bishop Fellay to overlook the two popes and his accepting Vatican Council II (Cushingite) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cushingite).This is a new theology creating a new doctrine in the Church.
He himself is not affirming Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Feeneyite).This is a rational, traditional and non heretical interpretation of Church-documents.
I affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1995) also without Cushingism, without the irrational premise.
The Ecclesia Dei/CDF cardinals and bishops have accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which used an irrational premise to create a new and irrational theology which still is a magisterial mistake.It needs to be corrected.
Bishop Schneider wants the SSPX to overlook this theological and doctrinal error in the Church and accept a personal prelature without 'Rome coming back to the faith'.
Vatican Council II can only be interpreted rationally. The Vatican Curia is interpreting the Council irrationality,i.e with an irrational premise.
-Lionel Andrades 




Ad Gentes 7 can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingismhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/ad-gentes-7-can-be-interpreted-with.html



http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/meeting-needed-between-ecclesia-deicdf.

DECEMBER 10, 2014

SSPX has only to interpret Vatican Council II with the left hand side column and there is no break with their traditional beliefs on other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/sspx-has-only-to-interpret-vatican.html

 AUGUST 30, 2014
The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/the-catechism-and-vatican-council-ii.html

AUGUST 24, 2014

Without the false premise, the visible- dead premise, the Decree on Ecumenism in Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/without-false-premise-visible-dead.html




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 NOVEMBER 20, 2016



Bad philosophy and irrational theology even after informing them

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/bad-philosophy-and-irrational-theology.html

NOVEMBER 20, 2016

No surprise that the earthquake at Norcia destroyed the church which was a centre for the pro-Rahner Catholic traditionalists on the feast of Christ the King celebrated according to the Traditional Latin Mass calendar: bad philosophy irrational theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/no-surprise-that-earthquake-at-norcia.html


SEPTEMBER 17, 2015

Michael Voris does not say Cardinal Ratzinger was in heresy and schism at the time of the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/michael-voris-does-not-say-cardinal.html



Michael Voris does not say every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for salvation. For him there are exceptions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/michael-voris-does-not-say-every-one.html

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion ? : ChurchMilitant TV still does not respond http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican_25.html

Campus Ministry

Bishop Arturo Cepeda, Director of the Department of Evangelization, Catechesis and Schools,Detroit has no denial : he agrees an irrationality is taught to Catholic school children  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/bishop-arturo-cepeda-director-of.html 
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School children in the Archdiocese of Detroit have to use an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/school-children-in-archdiocese-of.html

Superintendents of Catholic Schools in the Archdiocese of Detroit agree : irrationality being taught in Religion Class http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/superintendents-of-catholic-schools-in.html


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/church-militant-tvs-simon-rafe-and-ryan.html
SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion : ChurchMilitant TV comment incomplete http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html
Church Militant - Serving Catholics
Church Militant TV could produce a video for the CDF-SSPX Reconciliation

Vatican (CDF) had a lot to hide and so they kept those SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secrehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/vatican-cdf-had-lot-to-hide-and-so-they.html
Rodney Pelletier,Simon Rafe and Michael Voris : error in premium programs Baptize All Nations,Moral Compass and possibly God's Green Earth
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/rodney-pelletiersimon-rafe-and-michael.html

Church Militant TV (CMTV) could help resolve the CDF-SSPX doctrinal issue by identifying the exact doctrinal error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/church-militant-tv-cmtv-could-help.html

ChurchMilitantTV removes comments : irrational theology which David Obeid and Luke Macik have to teach to be approved by the bishop
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/churchmilitanttv-removes-comments.html

Fr.Robert Barron and Michael Voris like most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/frrobert-barron-and-michael-voris-like.html

Michael Voris has compromised and wants the SSPX to do the same


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/similar-to-dominus-iesus-and-catechism.html

The Holy See

In Dominus Iesus Cardinal Ratzinger chose the irrational inference and rejected the traditional dogma on salvation 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/similar-to-dominus-iesus-and-catechism.html

Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake with the Letter of the Holy Office and carried it over into Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/archbishop-lefebvre-made-mistake-with.html

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JUNE 8, 2016


We see this conditioning in the irrational reasoning of Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augistine Di Noia and Bishop Bernard Fellay :it was accepted by Lefebvre,Hildebrand,Davis and Mattei

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/we-see-this-conditioning-in-irrational.html



Muller, Di Noia and Fellay made an objective error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and traditionalists are in a fix. They cannot correct me and neither do they want to say that they were wrong all these years and have been interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrational reasoning http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/muller-di-noia-and-fellay-made_36.html

MARCH 31, 2016


Pope Francis, Ethika Politika and the traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with an irrational inference http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-francis-ethika-politika-and.html


FEBRUARY 29, 2016


There is a mistake in Vatican Council II and the editor of Ethika Politika has nothing to say either wayhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/there-is-mistake-in-vatican-council-ii.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2016

If any pope or religious, uses an irrational premise and inference to interpret magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, the conclusion has to be irrational, non traditional- and heretical

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/if-any-pope-or-religious-uses.html

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SEPTEMBER 26, 2015

Magisterium should apologise to the SSPX for the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/magisterium-should-apologise-to-sspx.html

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Brother Francis ( MICM) the former Superior of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart Monastery in Richmond New Hampshire, USA made a mistake on Vatican Council II ? : excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/brother-francis-micm-former-superior-of.html

 MARCH 27, 2015

Vatican Council in general is being interpreted with an irrationality.Catholics do not know that there is a choice.Eliminate the premise and the Council dramatically changes

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/vatican-council-in-general-it-is-being.html


DECEMBER 22, 2014


If a pope uses the irrational premise and comes to an irrational conclusion it still is an objective error, even if he is the popehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/if-pope-uses-irrational-premise-and.html

JUNE 1, 2015


Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and Cardinal Richard Cushing changed all that.They were playing God just like Martin Luther or King Henry VIII.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/cardinal-francesco-marchetti.html


 JULY 1, 2015

An exception must exist and it can only exist in the present time, since we are in the present timehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search/label/An%20excdption%20must%20exist%20today



FEBRUARY 23, 2016


CDF Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis S.j repeats the error of the 1949 Holy Office Letter : the mistake was placed in Vatican Council in so many passages   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/cdf-notification-on-dupuis-repeats.html

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JULY 28, 2015

So is LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc explicit or implicit is important for interpreting Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/so-is-lg-16-lg-8-ur-3-na-2-etc-explicit.html



APRIL 7, 2014

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Pope Benedict XVI made a factual error : Analysis http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-and-pope.html



JANUARY 4, 2017


Professors of Philosophy at the pontifical universities in Rome are still refusing to answer simple philosophical questionshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/professors-of-philosophy-at-pontifical.html