Vatican Council II is linked to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Vatican Council II does not contradict the past ecclesiology.But for Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Prior, St. Benedict Center Still River, Massachusetts and Bishop Robert J.McNamara, bishop of Worcester,USA, Vatican Council II must be interpreted as a rupture with the past ecclesiology. Brother Thomas Augustine has done just this. So his community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, last month were granted canonical recognition in Worcester.This community of Fr. Leonard Feeney has compromised.Like the SSPX bishops and priests they affirm visible for us baptism of desire and also interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a rupture with Vatican Council II.
The pro-Lefebvre traditionalist blogger Tantamblogo clarifies in a comment that he affirms EENS, he rejects Feeneyism and accepts being saved in invincible ignorance.
This confusion must be expected he has no concept of visible and invisible baptism of desire or EENS with or without visible for us baptism of desire.This is the irrational theology of the SSPX and the St. Benedict Centers which I avoid.
Unlike Tantamblogo I affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no known cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. They are always invisible for me.They would also be the same for him if he really thought it through.
This confusion must be expected he has no concept of visible and invisible baptism of desire or EENS with or without visible for us baptism of desire.This is the irrational theology of the SSPX and the St. Benedict Centers which I avoid.
Unlike Tantamblogo I affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no known cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. They are always invisible for me.They would also be the same for him if he really thought it through.
So for me unlike the St.Benedict Centers and the Society of St.Pius X, Vatican Council II, with LG 16 invisible and hypothetical,is not a rupture with the past ecclesiology of an ecumenism of return.This is the past ecclesiology which Pope Benedict rejected and referred to it in Redemptoris Missio and the International Theological Commission's Christianity and the World Religions.
This is modernism. With this modernism of the two popes the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, offer/attend the Tridentine Rite Mass innocently.
So Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.
With this announcement they of course would contradict their bishops and the two popes.But they would be in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney and the truths of our Faith.
This is modernism. With this modernism of the two popes the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, offer/attend the Tridentine Rite Mass innocently.
So Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.
With this announcement they of course would contradict their bishops and the two popes.But they would be in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney and the truths of our Faith.
Theologically the St.Benedict Centers are rejecting the ecclesiology and salvation theology of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
They are now supporting liberalism and modernism.It is the same at the St. Benedict Center Richmond,New Hampshire,USA where Brother Andre Marie is the Prior.The bishop of Manchester has approved them as a community though not yet given them the same canonical status as that of the St. Benedict Center in Worcester.Bishop Peter Anthony Libasci, the bishop of Manchester N.H, also affirms EENS with the visible for us, baptism of desire premise.He also can only see Vatican Council II with the LG-16 is visible premise. So for him too Vatican Council II( with the premise) is a rupture with EENS( traditional and without the premise).While his EENS( with the premise) is an innovation a new creation with an irrational reasoning.It is officially accepted in Worcester.
For me LG 16( invincible ignorance of unknown people ) and LG 14 ( baptism of desire of an unknown catechumen) refer to unknown people.
They are now supporting liberalism and modernism.It is the same at the St. Benedict Center Richmond,New Hampshire,USA where Brother Andre Marie is the Prior.The bishop of Manchester has approved them as a community though not yet given them the same canonical status as that of the St. Benedict Center in Worcester.Bishop Peter Anthony Libasci, the bishop of Manchester N.H, also affirms EENS with the visible for us, baptism of desire premise.He also can only see Vatican Council II with the LG-16 is visible premise. So for him too Vatican Council II( with the premise) is a rupture with EENS( traditional and without the premise).While his EENS( with the premise) is an innovation a new creation with an irrational reasoning.It is officially accepted in Worcester.
For me LG 16( invincible ignorance of unknown people ) and LG 14 ( baptism of desire of an unknown catechumen) refer to unknown people.
I am a Feeneyite since I affirm the centuries old interpretation of EENS with hypothetical for us baptism of desire, which would be known to God if it was real and it would be followed by the baptism of water, since this is the dogmatic teaching of the Church.
So for me being saved in invincible ignorance would also not be relevant or an exception to EENS (without the false premise).Tatamblogo has no concept of this.
Like Tantamblogo's bishop in Dallas, Bishop Robert McManus and his Curia in Worcester would affirm EENS with the exceptions of BOD, BOB and I.I. So there is known salvation outside the Church for them.There is known salvation even though they could obviously not name any person they know who has been saved outside the Church.Possibilities in the past cannot be exceptions in 2017. Possibilities in the past were not known cases to the people of that time.They were simply speculation with good will.For the bishop in Worcester LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, GS 22,NA 2 etc would also be a known example of salvation outside the Church.It is the same with Brother Thomas Augustine.So since LG 16 contradicts EENS for them there are exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.So they affirm a new ecclesiology now with known salvation among non Christians(Jews etc) and non Catholics (Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc).Then they say that they are not Feeneyites.
This doctrinal error can be reversed.The MICM and SSPX could announce that invisible for us LG 16,GS 22, LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not explicit, they are not objective for us human beings in 2017. This is something obvious.So non- existing people cannot be exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
Lionel Andrades
November 17, 2017
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November 10, 2017
No clarification or response from Bishop Robert J.McManus or Brother Thomas Augustine MICM on Catholic doctrine : how did they interpret Vatican Council II and EENS? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-clarification-or-response-from.html
Like Tantamblogo's bishop in Dallas, Bishop Robert McManus and his Curia in Worcester would affirm EENS with the exceptions of BOD, BOB and I.I. So there is known salvation outside the Church for them.There is known salvation even though they could obviously not name any person they know who has been saved outside the Church.Possibilities in the past cannot be exceptions in 2017. Possibilities in the past were not known cases to the people of that time.They were simply speculation with good will.For the bishop in Worcester LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, GS 22,NA 2 etc would also be a known example of salvation outside the Church.It is the same with Brother Thomas Augustine.So since LG 16 contradicts EENS for them there are exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.So they affirm a new ecclesiology now with known salvation among non Christians(Jews etc) and non Catholics (Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc).Then they say that they are not Feeneyites.
This doctrinal error can be reversed.The MICM and SSPX could announce that invisible for us LG 16,GS 22, LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not explicit, they are not objective for us human beings in 2017. This is something obvious.So non- existing people cannot be exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
Lionel Andrades
November 17, 2017
Pope Benedict probably ' broke his silence' on extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he was forced to reiterate his new theology which makes Vatican Council II a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus
NOVEMBER 17, 2017
Brother Andre Marie MICM and the priest of the Institute of Christ the King do not mention Vatican Council II being in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/brother-andre-marie-micm-and-priest-of.html
November 10, 2017
No clarification or response from Bishop Robert J.McManus or Brother Thomas Augustine MICM on Catholic doctrine : how did they interpret Vatican Council II and EENS? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-clarification-or-response-from.html
Vatican needs to apologise for the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/vatican-cdfecclesia-dei-needs-to.html
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