Saturday, September 30, 2017

Pope Francis supports the Obfuscation Principle in the interpretation of Catholic morals and salvation : correction needed

Pope Francis has supported the Obfuscation Principle in the interpretation of Catholic morals and salvation. The confusion is there in his statement in Columbia on Amoris Laetitia being Thomistic.
The Obfuscation Principle is mixing up what cannot be known as being known, it is a false reasoning. It's subterfuge.It is philophical subterfuge used to change the traditional doctrines of the Catholic Church.
He rejects traditional exclusivist salvation in the Catholic Church by assuming unknown cases of the baptism of desire etc are known and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.So they become examples of salvation outside the Church when there are no such cases in real life.There are no practical exceptions in 2017 to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Similarly he rejects the traditional teachings of Jesus on morals by assuming there are known exceptions.For him there are known cases of Catholics living in mortal sin who will not be going to Hell, or, after Amoris Laetitia, who can be given the Eucharist, for example, the divorced and remarried.
This is similar to cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborg in the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) mention the three conditions of mortal sin which can only be known to God.So there is confusion on mortal sin.

In either case, faith(salvation) and morals, there are no known exceptions in the present times to the traditional teachings of the Church, since we simply cannot see people in Heaven.If there was an exception it would only be known to God.
However with the Obfuscation Principle, the two popes can pretend that in principle what is unknown is known, in principle what is physically invisible is visible, in principle what is only known to God in Heaven is also known in personal cases to us human beings on earth. This is philosophical cheating.
Outside the Church there is no salvation and all non Catholics in 2017 are oriented to Hell unless they are incorporated into the Church as members and similarly all divorced and remarried couples are living in mortal sin unless they change their life style and receive absolution in the Confessional.There is no confusion here.
There was confusion when the Church wrongly excommunicated Fr. Leonard Feeney who would not accept exceptions to the dogma EENS based on the Obfuscation Principle.Invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance could not be visible cases for him. The Church wrongly excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre for not accepting Vatican Council II interpreted with the Obfuscation Principle and now in Columbia Pope Francis approved the excommunication of Professor José Galat, former rector of the La Gran Colombia University and founder and owner of the television station Teleamiga.There was a time when Cardinal Bergoglio also criticised the pope in public and no one called for his excommunication.
Pope Francis approves the Eucharist being given in general to the married and divorced in Germany, Malta, Italy and other countries.No one says he is in heresy and so is automatically excommunicated.
So there is now a new morality.Docrine has been changed by the two living popes by using an irrationality in faith and morals.If as Catholics we avoid this irrationality we can theologically return to the past ecclesiology, in faith(salvation) and morals.
As Catholics we have a moral obligation to avoid the Obfuscation Principle
.-Lionel Andrades

September 30, 2017

Pope Francis speaks during a meeting with Jesuits and laypeople associated with Jesuit institutions in Cartagena, Colombia, Sept. 10. While replying to questions, the pope said that seeking to understand people's real lives does not "bastardize" theology. (CNS/courtesy La Civilta Cattolica)

Philosophical subjectivism in morals and salvation supported by Pope Francis : Amoris Laetitia negates St.Thomas
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Philosophical subjectivism in morals and salvation supported by Pope Francis : Amoris Laetitia negates St.Thomas

Pope Francis speaks during a meeting with Jesuits and laypeople associated with Jesuit institutions in Cartagena, Colombia, Sept. 10. While replying to questions, the pope said that seeking to understand people's real lives does not "bastardize" theology. (CNS/courtesy La Civilta Cattolica)
Pope Francis says: 1
To those who maintain that the morality underlying the document is not “a Catholic morality” or a morality that can be certain or sure, “I want to repeat clearly that the morality of ‘Amoris Laetitia’ is Thomist,” that is, built on the moral philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas, he said

.Lionel: False it is not Thomist.Instead it is a negation of the morality of St.Thomas Aquinas and St. Alphonsus Liguouri.The philosophical subjectivism in Amoris Laetitia is not Catholic.It is an innovation in the Church.
The same philosophical subjectivism is used by the two popes to reject exclusivist salvation theology held by St. Thomas Aquinas and St.Alphonsus Liguori.
There are no visible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance in 2017 to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was taught by St. Thomas Aquinas. Yet for Pope Francis these hypothetical cases can be known and seen in the present times and so they are explicit exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.
Similarly there are no known cases in 2017 of people living in manifest mortal sin whom we can say will not be going to Hell and should be able to receive the Eucharist.Yet Amoris Laetitia suggests there are.Now in general the Eucharist is being given to people in mortal sin in Germany, Italy, Malta etc with the approval of the pope.


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One of the best and “most mature” theologians today who can explain the document, he told them, is Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna.
Lionel: Like the pope he says conscience is supreme and for him there is no objective mortal sin.
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“I want to say this so that you can help those who believe that morality is purely casuistic,” he said, meaning a morality that changes according to particular cases and circumstances rather than one that determines a general approach that should guide the church’s pastoral activity.
Lionel: Amoris Laeititia is casuistic on morals just as the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 brought in a new theology in the Church which is casuistic.
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The pope had made a similar point during his meeting with Jesuits gathered in Rome for their general congregation in 2016. There he said, “In the field of morality, we must advance without falling into situationalism.”
Lionel: The New Morality being taught at pontifical universities is based on situationalism and this is expressed in Amoris Laetitia.
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“St. Thomas and St. Bonaventure affirm that the general principle holds for all but — they say it explicitly — as one moves to the particular, the question becomes diversified and many nuances arise without changing the principle,” he had said.
Lionel: In principle salvation and moral theology has been changed with philsophical subjectivism i.e being able to judge exceptions to the rules on salvation and mortal sin when this cannot only be known to God in individual cases.
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It is a method that was used for the Catechism of the Catholic Church and “Amoris Laetitia,” he added.
Lionel: Yes the moral and salvation theology in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is based on philosophical subjectivism.It assumes there are known cases of people saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and in invincible ignorance when there are no such known cases.
Similarly it assumes that we can know the three conditions of a mortal sin when this can only be known to God.

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“It is evident that, in the field of morality, one must proceed with scientific rigor and with love for the church and discernment. There are certain points of morality on which only in prayer can one have sufficient light to continue reflecting theologically. And on this, allow me to repeat it, one must do ‘theology on one’s knees.’ You cannot do theology without prayer. This is a key point and it must be done this way,” he had told the Jesuits in Rome.1
Lionel: The interview is given in Columbia where a Catholic scholar has been excommunicated for criticizing Pope Francis. The pope has approved the excommunication during this visit to Columbia. This is the new morality-Lionel Andrades

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‘Amoris Laetitia’ is built on traditional Thomist morality, pope says
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Friday, September 29, 2017

There is no denial from 62-plus scholars who issued the Filial Correction

There is no denial from the 62-plus scholars who have issued the Filial Correction of Pope Francis. They do not deny reports which state that they do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without assuming invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions. So for them all do not need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation since invisible and unknown people are visible and known exceptions to the dogma EENS.
They also do not interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known and visible cases in 2017.Theoretical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II are considered examples of known salvation outside the Church.
So they have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed to 'We believe in three known baptisms, desire, blood and invincible ignorance, and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
Here is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which none of the 62-plus Catholics scholars and nor their spokesman will affirm in public.


They do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (
Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (
Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
Here are hypothetical references in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II which they assume are non hypothetical and are examples of objective cases saved outside the Church.So these magisterial documents become a rupture with Tradition when they really are not.EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
-Lionel Andrades
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September 28, 2017

63 scholars do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, interpret Vatican Council with an irrationality and have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed
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Thursday, September 28, 2017

63 scholars do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, interpret Vatican Council with an irrationality and have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed

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They do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (
Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (
Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

THEY REJECT THE DOGMA EENS (ABOVE) SINCE THEY ASSUME THAT THE FOLLOWING QUOTATIONS FROM THE CATECHISM AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ARE EXCEPTIONS. FOR ME THEY ARE NOT EXEPTIONS SINCE THEY REFER TO HYPOTHETICAL AND INVISIBLE PEOPLE IN 2017.

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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.

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Wednesday, September 27, 2017

Cardinal Marx uses an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism : needs to be corrected


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Cardinal: There Are No More Differences That Divide "Catholics" From Protestants

Still existing differences do not divide the Protestants from the Catholic Church anymore according to the liberal Munich Cardinal Reinhard Marx. Speaking at a meeting of the German Bishops in Fulda …
  
HERE IS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS WHICH SAYS PROTESTANTS ARE ON THE WAY TO HELL. THERE IS NOTHING REALLY IN VATICAN COUNCIL II TO CONTRADICT IT.

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (
Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he

pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
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FOR CARDINAL MARX THE FOLLOWING HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES ARE VISIBLE AND KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS MENTIONED ABOVE.
BUT NOT FOR ME!!
EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CCC 846).
3. Those '
justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.


According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) all need faith for salvation. Protestants do not have Catholic Faith, they do not have the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church, they do not have the Sacraments. They are all oriented to Hell and there are no known exceptions in 2017. There is no known salvation outside the Church.-Lionel Andrades

 

Traditionalist Institute of Christ the King and Bishop Michael Campbell interpret Catechism and Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS.I do not make this mistake





These traditionalists interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). I do not make this mistake.
HERE IS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (
Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings,their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (
Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

HERE ARE QUOTATIONS FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH THE INSTITUE LIKE BISHOP CAMPBELL ASSUME ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EENS.
FOR THE INSTITUTE THESE QUOTATIONS REFER TO KNOWN PEOPLE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.
FOR ME THEY WILL ALWAYS BE UNKNOWN. THIS IS COMMON SENSE.



EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CCC 846).
3. Those '
justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).


EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

1.
    'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.

-Lionel Andrades


 

Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Amoris Laetitia supports a mortal sin in morals and the 63 scholars like the two popes, support a mortal sin of faith

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The 63 scholars say Pope Francis is supporting heresy but they do not state that he is a heretic and so is automatically excommunicated.They cannot.Since they themselves are in first class heresy on the salvation issue.
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They all do not approve philosophical subjectivism in the interpretation of moral theology and Amoris Laeitita but they approve it in the interpretation of salvation theology for example, invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are judged as being visible cases.Then they infer that BOD, BOB and I.I are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They become examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.

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So all of them accept invisible and unknown people as being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS but they do not accept (correctly) Amoris Laeititia suggesting we can judge when a couple living in mortal sin is not a mortal sin (Veritatis Splendor) and when particular cases of the divorced and remarried people are not going to the fires of Hell and can even be given the Eucharist at Mass.
Why doesn't pope Francis just brush them off? Just tell them that he had to issue Amoris Laetitia due to pressure from the Jewish Left, the Masons and the secret societies of Satan and so was afraid of the Vatican and himself being personally attacked just like Chris Ferrara, Robert Matteo, Dr.John Rao and other signatories will not affirm Feeneyite EENS, to preserve their life and property, responsibilities and interests.
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Both groups are following Satan and the Left.
The 63 scholars are not consistent in following the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.So they are able to keep their jobs and interests while they (correctly) correct Pope Francis on moral theology.Since it is safe with no one being immediately penalised in a big way. They are not willing to do the same thing on the issue of Fr. Leonard Feeney and extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since then teh big crunch will be immediate.

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Amoris Laetitia supports sacrilege but then so does the rejection of the 'infallible statement', the 'de fide dogma' which tells us that all Jews and Muslims, Protestants and Orthodox Christians in 2017 are on the way to Hell.
For Joseph Shaw to reject the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS, change the meaning of the Nicene Creed, interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) with an irrational premise and then go to receive the Eucharist at the Tridentine Rite Mass is participating in a sacrilege.This is a mortal sin of faith.
Amoris Laetitia supports a mortal sin in morals and the 63 signatories, like the two popes, support a mortal sin of faith.
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None of the 63 scholars are going to sign a declaration saying they affirm EENS like the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century, since reason tells us invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I are not visible exceptions to the dogma EENS. They will not state that they believe every one needs to be incorporated into the Church as a member to avoid Hell.
None of them will say that Vatican Council II will not be a rupture with the strict interpretation of EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.So there is no more the new ecumenism but only an ecumenism of return.


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They will not issue a filial correction, telling the pope, that since hypothetical cases referred to in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8, UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc) cannot be exceptions( and they never were) to Feeneyite EENS, the past ecclesiology fo the Church is still intact. So there should be mission knowing that all non Catholics with no known exceptions in 2017 are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.There are only Catholics in Heaven.
They could offer a filial correction to the bishops, in the USA, U.K and the rest of Europre who are cooperating in sacrilgeous Communion at Mass, with mortal sins of faith.
 

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They will not announce that there is no change in the pre and post Vatican Council II exclusivist ecclesiology.There is no change for the 63 scholars on faith, there is no change in doctrine since the new ecumenism, the new mission, the new theology, the new canon law is rejected with the old ecclesiology intact.



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Instead the 63 scholars like Pope Francis support heresy and none of them will call each other heretics. Technically they all are automatically excommunicated but there is no one to enforce it.To change the meaning of the Nicene and Athanasius Creed is a first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths taught by Pope John Paul II.
-Lionel Andrades
 


http://www.correctiofilialis.org/signatories/