Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi, John Martignoni and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb agree that somebody invisible cannot be visible at the same time

Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi, John Martignoni and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb agree that somebody invisible cannot be visible at the same time.They agree that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) in 2017.


They agree that for someone to be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS); to be an example of salvation outside the Church, this person must exist.He must be part of our reality on earth.So invisible BOD cannot be a visible exception to all needing 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7) in the Catholic Church for salvation in 2017.
The 'possibility' of someone being saved with the BOD, BOB or I.I many centuries back, is not a real exception to the dogma EENS in 2017. Since the person does not exist in our times. Someone in the past cannot be an exception to EENS today.

The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism in the Catholic Church and it is not BOD, BOB and I.I.
BOD, BOB and I.I are always theoretical cases for us which could be followed by the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, for salvation.Since every one needs the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
BOD, BOB and I.I never were an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS in 1949.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949, made public by the Archdiocese of Boston some three years after it was issued by Rome, made an objective mistake.
It was based on this error ( mixing up visible and invisble cases) that BOD, BOB and I.I are mentioned in Vatican Council II.

 Vatican Council II can be re-read with LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc referring to hypothetical cases. They refer to people who do not exist in our reality. We cannot meet any one in particular saved as such.

Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition.Hypothetical cases of LG 16 etc are simply theoretical.They are not living people in 2017 who are known to be saved outside the Church, without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

I call this Vatican Council II, Feeneyite Vatican Council II. It is in harmony with EENS as it was known in the 16th century, for example.

So the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II is the same for me.There is no 'development' of the dogma EENS (Feeneyite) with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite).Pope Benedict XVI made a mistake in the March 2016 ( Avvenire) when he said that EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century, there was 'a development' with Vatican Council II.

He was referring to Vatican Council II in which hypothetical cases are inferred to be objectively visible; what is invisible is considered physically visible. I call this interpretation of Vatican Council II, Vatican Council II Cushingite.

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are Cushingites.They violate the Principle of Non Contradiction in their interpretation of Vatican Council II,which is always Cushingite.

Pope Francis needs to switch to Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) which is rational ( invisible cases are invisible) and traditional(in harmony with Feeneyite EENS).-Lionel Andrades


July 13, 2017

Pope Francis violates the Principle of Non Contradiction: chooses irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II which is not the work of the Holy Spirit
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July 12, 2017
Pope's moto proprio suggests there is known salvation and sainthood outside the Catholic Church
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July 13, 2017

Prof. Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin agree that invisible people cannot be visible at the same time : in agreement with Fr. Stefano Visintin's statement
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