Sunday, March 26, 2017

The ordinary way of salvation is the baptism of water in the Catholic Church; faith and baptism for adults. The general way of salvation is not BOD, BOB and I.I or having a good conscience

Anonymous mentions:-
Canon Law (1917): Canon 737: “Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.”

Canon 1239: “Those who have died without baptism are not to be given ecclesiastical burial. Catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be counted among the baptized.” 
 
Father Fenney denied this as EVEN a possibility. It has been taught by the Catholic Church since  the beginning of the first century. Whether known or unknown is not a factor.

Lionel:
Canon Law (1917): Canon 737: “Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.”
It is saying here that the baptism of water is necessary for all. This was what Fr.Leonard Feneey said too.

or at least in desire necessary unto salvation 
This is accomodating the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which suggests that the baptism of desire is known in personal cases and is relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
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Canon 1239: “Those who have died without baptism are not to be given ecclesiastical burial. Catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be counted among the baptized.” 

Lionel:
This was also the position of Fr. Leonard Feeney.Those who are not baptised with water in the Catholic Church are not in the Catholic Church.They are outside the Church where there is no salvation.
It is assumed pastorally in Canon Law that a catechuman who desired the baptism of water but died before receving it will be saved and is a member of the Church.
St.Thomas Aquinas says there could be a man in invincible ignorance who is to be saved, will be saved when God sends a preacher to instruct him.Similarly St.Francis Xavier said that God had send people back from the dead only to be baptised with the baptism of water.
So there could be BOD, BOB and I.I cases who are saved after receiving the baptism of water in a manner known only to God.
However the ordinary way of salvation is the baptism of water in the Catholic Church; faith and baptism for adults. The general way of salvation is not BOD, BOB and I.I or having a good conscience.


Father Fenney denied this as EVEN a possibility.
Lionel: 
He denied the possibility of a person being saved without the baptism of water which would be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).There is no connection between EENS and baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorant(I.I).Since there are no known in personal cases, no exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and all needing to be members. We do not know anyone saved as such without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church,even today(2017).It was not even known also during the time of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Pastorally allowing catechumens to be given a burial in the Catholic Church comes from the magisterium's assuming wrongly that there are known cases of people saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water,outside the Church.
So Fr.Leonard Feeney denied the possibility of being saved outside the Church.He was correct. There are no known exceptions and there are no known catechumans in Heaven or earth, who desired the baptism of water and were saved without it.This is a pastoral development in the Church based on the new theology and salvation-doctrine.
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 It has been taught by the Catholic Church since  the beginning of the first century. Whether known or unknown is not a factor.
Lionel:
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been taught by the Catholic Church since the beginning of the first century and it excluded exceptions.Whether BOD, BOB and I.I are unknown in personal cases was also known over the centuries.
That there are known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which are exceptions to traditional EENS has come in a big way into the Church with the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office  to the Archbishop of Boston.
-Lionel Andrades

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