Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus the English bishop tells a lie was the head line of a previous blog post. 1 I also mentioned that there was no objection to this mistake from the host of the TV series, the Irish Catholic theologian, Tom O'Loughlin of the University of Nottingham.
NO DENIAL :THEY TOLD A LIE
NO DENIAL :THEY TOLD A LIE
There is no denial from Archbishop Kevin Mcdonald and Tom O'Loughlin the host of the series Theologians in Conversation.2
THEY BOTH USE IRRATIONAL THEOLOGY, CUSHINGISM
THEY BOTH USE IRRATIONAL THEOLOGY, CUSHINGISM
They have lied.
LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 MADE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR
The original mistake was made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance referred to personally known cases in the present times, saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
THERE IS A FACTUAL MISTAKE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II: AN ERROR-THEME
Then this irrational reasoning was transferred to Vatican Council II. So this is a clear error in the text of the Council.The Council Fathers actually assumed that invisible cases are visible.They mistook hypothetical cases as being objectivly known .Then they inferred that these visible-invisible cases were a break with the old ecclesiocenterism of the Church. This is another point that Archbishop Kevin Mcdonald and Tom O'Loughlin have not denied.
NOT THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
THERE IS A FACTUAL MISTAKE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II: AN ERROR-THEME
Then this irrational reasoning was transferred to Vatican Council II. So this is a clear error in the text of the Council.The Council Fathers actually assumed that invisible cases are visible.They mistook hypothetical cases as being objectivly known .Then they inferred that these visible-invisible cases were a break with the old ecclesiocenterism of the Church. This is another point that Archbishop Kevin Mcdonald and Tom O'Loughlin have not denied.
NOT THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
This is a human mistake in Vatican Council II and cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.
I mentioned that this error has been repeated in many passages of Vatican Council II.It was a kind of norm.It was as if the Council was called to implement the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
There is an error-theme in the Council text.This has not been denied by the English bishops or the theologians at the University of Nottingham. How can they deny it ? It is all there in the text.
NEW ECUMENISM BASED UPON THIS IRRATIONALITY
I mentioned that this error has been repeated in many passages of Vatican Council II.It was a kind of norm.It was as if the Council was called to implement the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
There is an error-theme in the Council text.This has not been denied by the English bishops or the theologians at the University of Nottingham. How can they deny it ? It is all there in the text.
NEW ECUMENISM BASED UPON THIS IRRATIONALITY
So the new ecumenism is based on hypothetical cases not being hypothetical.In this way, with this deception, there is an alleged exception to the old ecclesiocentrism which says all Christians need to formally convert into the Church for salvation.
FALSE THEOLOGY AND DOCTRINE
FALSE THEOLOGY AND DOCTRINE
With this objective error, of invisible cases being visible, and us being able to see people in Heaven, the Council indicates( according one of the two theological interpretations), that there is known salvation outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church.This is practically false.It is false theology and doctrine.So everyone does not need to convert into the Catholic Church was the conclusion of the 1949 magisterium in the Letter of the Holy Office.
THE MAGISTERIUM MADE A MISTAKE
THE MAGISTERIUM MADE A MISTAKE
The error has been identified.No one has denied that there is an error in Vatican Council II.It is the same error as in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The magisterium made a mistake.
So there is no basis doctrinally and theologically, for the new ecumenism.
The University of Nottingham theologians need to clarify this error in Vatican Council II and the mistake made in the television series. It is unethical to interpret invisible cases as being visible.It is academically unethical to use a false premise and then conclude that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old exclusivist ecclesiology.This would be false propaganda and dishonesty.
-Lionel Andrades
The University of Nottingham theologians need to clarify this error in Vatican Council II and the mistake made in the television series. It is unethical to interpret invisible cases as being visible.It is academically unethical to use a false premise and then conclude that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old exclusivist ecclesiology.This would be false propaganda and dishonesty.
-Lionel Andrades
1.
March 3, 2017
Gaudium et Specs 22 does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : English bishop tells a lie http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/gaudium-et-specs-22-does-not-contradict.html
MARCH 3, 2017
Adult Catholic tells lies on Internet
2.
Theologians in Conversation; Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
https://youtu.be/HrEnMM6aAv0
MARCH 3, 2017
Adult Catholic tells lies on Internet
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/adult-catholic-tells-lies-on-internet.html
March 1, 2017
March 2, 2017
English bishop says Jews do not need to convert and they have their own covenant http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-repeats-masonic-line.html
March 2, 2017
English bishop indicates pope was wrong
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-indicates-pope-was-wrong.html
March 2, 2017
English liberal bishop uses straw man arguement
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-liberal-bishop-uses-straw-man.html
March 1, 2017
English Bishop interprets Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with irrational Cushingism http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-interprets-vatican.html
March 2, 2017
English bishop says Jews do not need to convert and they have their own covenant http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-repeats-masonic-line.html
March 2, 2017
English bishop indicates pope was wrong
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-indicates-pope-was-wrong.html
March 2, 2017
English liberal bishop uses straw man arguement
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-liberal-bishop-uses-straw-man.html
Theologians in Conversation; Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
https://youtu.be/HrEnMM6aAv0
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March 4, 2017
English universities present a lie on Catholic theology and doctrine - unethical for academics http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-universities-present-lie-on.html
March 2, 2017
Who am I (Lionel) and what do I believe in ?
Who am I (Lionel) and what do I believe in ?
Rome Mayor must ask university professors to avoid deception and not lie : academically unethical. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/romes-mayor-must-ask-university.html
March 7, 2017
There is no Christian theology of religious pluralism : Masons, Pope Benedict and Pope Francis are wrong http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/there-is-no-christian-theology-of.html
JANUARY 26, 2017
There is a mistake in Nostra Aetate,Vatican Council II and it still is not on the radar of Catholics. No one has reported it yet. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/there-is-mistake-in-vatican-council-ii.html
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MAY 6, 2014
JANUARY 26, 2017
There is a mistake in Nostra Aetate,Vatican Council II and it still is not on the radar of Catholics. No one has reported it yet. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/there-is-mistake-in-vatican-council-ii.html
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MAY 6, 2014
Southwark Emeritus Bishop cites Archbishop Lefebvre on Nostra Aetate : like the University of Bristol they use an irrationality
NOVEMBER 27, 2015
The Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales do not affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) in agreement with the traditional (Council of Trent) interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)
BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS LUMEN GENTIUM 16 REFERS TO EXPLICITLY KNOWN CASES OF NON CATHOLIC SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/bishops-conference-of-england-and-wales.html
Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/archbishop-emeritus-kevin-mcdonald-of.html
NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
CATHOLIC PRIESTS CORRECT POPE BENEDICT'S MISTAKE : WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A NON CATHOLIC SAVED IMPLICITLY BY JESUS AND THE CHURCH SO IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT CANTATE DOMINO,COUNCIL OF FLORENCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search?q=Pope+Benedict+XVI+contradicts+the+Bible
BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS LUMEN GENTIUM 16 REFERS TO EXPLICITLY KNOWN CASES OF NON CATHOLIC SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/bishops-conference-of-england-and-wales.html
Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/archbishop-emeritus-kevin-mcdonald-of.html
NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
CATHOLIC PRIESTS CORRECT POPE BENEDICT'S MISTAKE : WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A NON CATHOLIC SAVED IMPLICITLY BY JESUS AND THE CHURCH SO IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT CANTATE DOMINO,COUNCIL OF FLORENCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search?q=Pope+Benedict+XVI+contradicts+the+Bible
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