Wednesday, December 7, 2016

Ecclesia Dei ha aprobado la Misa del Rito Tridentino pero solo con la nueva eclesiología en 2017: Sumergum Pontificum peregrinación

Ecclesia Dei ha aprobado la Misa del Rito Tridentino pero solo con la nueva eclesiología en 2017: Sumergum Pontificum peregrinación.


Ecclesia Dei has approved the Tridentine Rite Mass but only with the new ecclesiology in 2017 : Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/pontifical-commission-ecclesia-dei-has.html




DECEMBER 7, 2016

Pontificia Commissione Ecclesia Dei ha approvato il pellegrinaggio Summorum Pontificum e Messa Tridentina nel sett. 2017 solo con la nuova ecclesiologia

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/pontificia-commissione-ecclesia-dei-ha.html
-Lionel Andrades


Ecclesia Dei zatwierdził trydencka Rite Mass.It jest dopuszczony tylko dla nowej eklezjologii 2017: Summorum Pontificum pielgrzymki (polski)

Ecclesia Dei zatwierdził trydencka Rite Mass.It jest dopuszczony tylko dla nowej eklezjologii 2017: Summorum Pontificum pielgrzymki.

Ecclesia Dei has approved the Tridentine Rite Mass but only with the new ecclesiology in 2017 : Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/pontifical-commission-ecclesia-dei-has.html


DECEMBER 7, 2016

Pontificia Commissione Ecclesia Dei ha approvato il pellegrinaggio Summorum Pontificum e Messa Tridentina nel sett. 2017 solo con la nuova ecclesiologia

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/pontificia-commissione-ecclesia-dei-ha.html
-Lionel Andrades







Ecclesia Dei has approved the Tridentine Rite Mass but only with the new ecclesiology in 2017 : Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage



The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has approved the Summorum Pontificum  pilgrimage for Sept 14-17, 2017, with the Tridentine Rite Mass allowed to be offered only with the new ecclesiology.It accepts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having known exceptions.
Priests who offer the Tridentine Rite Mass with the old ecclesiology based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no objective exceptions in the present times, could be suspended.It would be ideological for the Vatican.
This has been mentioned to the Ecclesia Dei in the past and  there has been no denial.
When the 16th century missionaries offered the Latin Mass it was with the old ecclesiology.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus did not have any known or unknown exceptions for St.Francis Xavier.
However Pope Benedict announced a few months back that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 1th century missionaries. There were 'developments' with Vatican Council II. He meant that the baptism of desire etc refer to visible and not invisible cases. So it was an objective exception, it was inferred, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma which says all need to be incorporated into the Church as members.
So he was clear that there was a new theology based on known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as promoted in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.
The Letter says everyone does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as a member while the dogma says the opposite.
So to interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as did Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center is prohibited. This can no more be the ecclesiology of the priest offering the Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass in 2017.
So the Mass approved by  Ecclesia Dei for 2017 too in its ecclesiology is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
It has an impediment and yet for ideological reasons it is approved by  Ecclesia Dei.It is magisterial according to the persons in the Vatican; the people. However it  is a rupture according to magisterial documents including Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).It is also a rupture according to the magisterium of persons in the past; the past Church Councils and popes.
-Lionel Andrades

http://blog.messainlatino.it/2016/11/un-convegno-e-un-pellegrinaggio-per-i.html
https://populussummorumpontificum.com/2016/11/27/towards-sumpont2017/#more-664


MARCH 7, 2014


Summorum Pontificum : those who do not use an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II are called reactionarieshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/03/summorum-pontificum-those-who-do-not.html


MARCH 7, 2014


Summorum Pontificum does not say if Vatican Council II is to be interpreted with or without the false premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/03/summorum-pontificum-does-not-say-if.html

 AUGUST 25, 2016


The Latin Mass is available in Rome but not the Tridentine Rite Mass.That has been effectivly prohibited by the contemporary magisterium and the political Left.It is not there even at the SSPX chapelhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/the-latin-mass-is-available-in-rome-but.html

NOVEMBER 19, 2013


Ecclesiology is not dependent on the liturgyhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/ecclesiology-is-not-dependent-on-liturgy.html


 DECEMBER 3, 2011


IMPEDIMENT FOR THOSE WHO OFFER THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/12/impediment-for-those-who-offer.html

Pontificia Commissione Ecclesia Dei ha approvato il pellegrinaggio Summorum Pontificum e Messa Tridentina nel sett. 2017 solo con la nuova ecclesiologia

La Pontificia Commissione Ecclesia Dei ha approvato il pellegrinaggio Summorum Pontificum 14-17 Settembre, 2017 con il Messa Tridentina per essere offerto solo con la nuova ecclesiologia che accetta il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus avere eccezioni conosciute.

I sacerdoti che offrono il Messa Tridentina con il vecchio ecclesiologia basata sul dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus non avere eccezioni oggettive, nei tempi presenti, potrebbe essere sospesi.Sarebbe ideologica per il Vaticano.Potrebbero essere sospesi.

Questo è stato menzionato al Ecclesia Dei in passato, ma non vi è stato alcun rifiuto.

Quando i missionari 16 ° secolo offerto la Messa in latino è stato con il vecchio ecclesiologia. Il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus non ha avuto alcuna eccezione di noti, per San Francesco Saverio.

Tuttavia Papa Benedetto ha annunciato qualche mese fa che extra ecclesiam nulla salus non è più come era per i missionari 16 ° secolo. Ha detto che ci sono stati 'sviluppi' con il Concilio Vaticano II.Per lui il battesimo di desiderio ecc riferiscono a casi visibili e non invisibili. Così è stato un'eccezione oggettiva, è stato dedotto, al tradizionale interpretazione  del dogma sulla salvezza esclusivo nella Chiesa e la necessità per tutti incorporati come membri.

Quindi era chiaro che c'era una nuova teologia basata sulle eccezioni conosciute al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in base alla Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 l'arcivescovo di Boston.

Quindi, per interpretare il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus come ha fatto don Leonard Feeney e il Sant Benedetto Center  è vietata. Così la Messa approvato da Ecclesia Dei per il 2017 nel suo ecclesiolgia è irrazionale, non tradizionale e eretica.

Ha un impedimento e tuttavia per motivi ideologici essa è approvata dalla Ecclesia Dei.It è magistrale in base alle persone in Vaticano. Tuttavia si tratta di una rottura con documenti magisteriali, tra cui il Concilio Vaticano II (AG 7, LG 14) .E 'anche la rottura con il magistero di persone del passato, prima del 1949.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION
The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has approved the Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage and Tridentine Mass in Sept 2017 to be offered only with the new ecclesiology.

The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has approved the Summorum Pontificum  pilgrimage Sept 14-17, 2017. with the Tridentine Rite Mass to be offered only with the new ecclesiology which accepts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus having known exceptions.
Priests who offer the Tridentine Rite Mass with the old ecclesiology based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus having no objective exceptions in the present times, could be suspended.It would be ideological for the Vatican.
This has been mentioned to the Ecclesia Dei in the past but there has been no denial.
When the 16th century missionaries offered the Latin Mass it was with the old ecclesiology.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus did not have any known or unknown exceptions for St.Francis Xavier.
However Pope Benedict has announced a few months back that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 1th century missionaries. He said that there were developments with Vatican Council II He meant that the baptism of desire etc refer to visible and not invisible cases. So it was an objective exception, it was inferred, to the traditional interpretatiion of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church and all needing to be incorporated as members.
So he was clear that there was a new theology based on known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus based on the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.
So to interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as did Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center is prohibited. This can no more be the ecclesiology of the priest offering the Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass.
So the Mass approved by  Ecclesia Dei for 2017 too in its ecclesiology is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
It has an impediment and yet for ideological reasons it is approved by  Ecclesia Dei.It is magisterial according to the persons in the Vatican. However it  is a rupture with magisterial documents including Vatican Council II (Ag 7, LG 14).It is also rupture with the magisterium of persons of the past, before the Council of Trent.
-Lionel Andrades

http://blog.messainlatino.it/2016/11/un-convegno-e-un-pellegrinaggio-per-i.html
https://populussummorumpontificum.com/2016/11/27/towards-sumpont2017/#more-664


MARCH 7, 2014

Summorum Pontificum : those who do not use an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II are called reactionarieshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/03/summorum-pontificum-those-who-do-not.html


MARCH 7, 2014

Summorum Pontificum does not say if Vatican Council II is to be interpreted with or without the false premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/03/summorum-pontificum-does-not-say-if.html

 AUGUST 25, 2016

The Latin Mass is available in Rome but not the Tridentine Rite Mass.That has been effectivly prohibited by the contemporary magisterium and the political Left.It is not there even at the SSPX chapelhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/the-latin-mass-is-available-in-rome-but.html

NOVEMBER 19, 2013

Ecclesiology is not dependent on the liturgyhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/ecclesiology-is-not-dependent-on-liturgy.html


 DECEMBER 3, 2011

IMPEDIMENT FOR THOSE WHO OFFER THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/12/impediment-for-those-who-offer.html

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Pope Francis phases out the Eucharist


Francis further abolished the public papal Mass for the Assumption, the Eucharistic Adoration with the Pope during papal visits or World Youth Day and religious meetings in St. Peter’s Square, the greeting of the Blessed Sacrament during his visits to churches, and the presence of the Pope at the public Procession of Corpus Christi in Rome.
 
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Religion-free Religion: “We already knew that Francis Bergoglio generally doesn’t much like the religious part of religion” – writes the journalist Hilary White on her blog. She adds: “More and more people are waking up to the self-evident fact that Bergoglio simply isn’t a Catholic, and that he wants to place himself as the head of an entirely new religion-free religion.”

Vespers for Creation: Hilary White gives an example: Francis abolished the First Vespers of Advent sung by the Pope. Instead, he imposed to the whole Church the obligation of the celebration of Vespers for Creation of September 1, over which he himself presides in Saint Peter’s.

Francis further abolished the public papal Mass for the Assumption, the Eucharistic Adoration with the Pope during papal visits or World Youth Day and religious meetings in St. Peter’s Square, the greeting of the Blessed Sacrament during his visits to churches, and the presence of the Pope at the public Procession of Corpus Christi in Rome.

The Poor: Philip North, the Anglican Bishop of Burnley, England, has accused the Church of England of being run by elites who do not stand up for the family, are embarrassed by patriotism and fail to understand the simple and poor people who have voted for Brexit. North voiced his criticism in a Church Times article. Quote: “The Church's agenda is being set not by the poor, but by academics, the moneyed elites, and certain sections of the secular media,” and: “We listen to the poor on condition that what they say backs up our own pre-conceived arguments.”

Pope continues with heretical statements : reinterprets the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with an irrationality

Pope Francis has subtly criticised the Great Commission of Jesus.He has done it befor too. He now mentioned it with reference to ISIS.
Recently he again discouraged an ecumenism in which Orthodox Christians would have to convert into the Catholic Church.
For me this is a direct attack and negation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was know in the 16th century.The pope does not say follow your conscience and affirm the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as did the 16th century missionaries.
However he does suggest that a person in manifest mortal sin could follow his conscience and receive the Eucharist etc.
His statement is continued-heresy. It is a contradiction of the dogma extra ecclesiam nullas salus, as I interpret it as a Catholic.
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict do not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus like the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney.I do.
MY THESIS
If the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance which is mentioned in some catechisms, in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and in Vatican Council II refers to invisible cases(since they are physically invisible) then it is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So Vatican Council II would then not be a rupture with this dogma. Neither would it contradict the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX or Tradition in general.
However if the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refers to visible cases,if it is interpreted as such, then it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla slus and the Syllabus of Errors. Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 14 etc) is a rupture with Tradition.
The two popes are interpreting Vatican Council II with LG 16 etc being visible instead of invisible. This is a factual and objective mistake.
It is no suprise that Pope Francis rejects an ecunmenism of return and the need for non Christians to formally convert into the Church for salvation ( to avoid Hell).Similarly it was no surprise for me when Pope Benedict in the interview with Avvenire said extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries.
The discussion of the Fr. Leonard Feeney case may seem academic or a thing of the past however it has a direct relationship today, with how we interpret Vatican Council II.The SSPX's canonical status and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate regularising their canonical status depends on this interpretation of Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades