Saturday, November 5, 2016

So this is why Vatican Council II for you is a rupture with Tradtiion. It is a rupture with St. Ignatius of Antoich because of the false premise, the irrational premise



And to be honest, Lionel, I cannot determine if 
you are buying into the notion that heterodox
 innovations emanating from Vat II trump previous 
Church teaching, or if you are merely drawing
 attention to these subversive innovations.
Lionel:
The heterodox innovations that you
 see in Vatican Council II are the 
results of using an irrational
 premise and conclusion.Avoid
 it and Vatican Council II emerges
 orthodox.
The SSPX Asia for example cites:-

Saint Ignatius of Antioch: "Do not deceive
 yourselves, he who adheres to the author of a 
schism will not possess the kingdom of God."
 [Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3 (CH 158)].

Saint Cyprianus: "Whosoever is separated from
 the Church is united to an adulteress. He has
 cut himself off from the promises of the Church,
 and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot
 arrive at the rewards of Christ (...) He who observes
 not this unity observes not the law of God, holds
not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not
 to life and salvation." [De Cath. Eccl. Unitate, n
 6 (CH 555)].
Saint Augustine and the Council of Cirta (412 
A.D.): "He who is separated from the body of
the Catholic Church, however laudable his
conduct may otherwise seem, will never enjoy
 eternal life, and the anger of God remains on
 him by reason of the crime of which he is
guilty in living separated from Christ." [Epist.
 141 (CH 158)].
Saint Gregory the Great: "The holy universal
Church teaches that God cannot be truly adored
 except within its fold; she affirms that all those
 who are separated from her will not be saved."
 [Moral. in Job. XIV,5 (CH 158)].
Innocent III and the Fourth Ecumenical Council 
of the Lateran (1215 A.D.): "There is only
one universal Church of the faithful, outside of
 which no one can be saved." [Cap. I; De fide
cath.; DS 802 (CH 159)].
"The same teaching is expressed in the professions
 of faith which have been proposed of by the
 Apostolic See; in the one which all the Latin
 Churches use (2); as also in the others, one which
 is received by the Greeks (3), and the other by
 all other Eastern Catholics" (4). [Pope Gregory
 XVI: Encyclical Summo jugiter, May 27, 1832
 to the Bishops of Bavaria (CH 159)].
So far good. This is orthodoxy.
Then the SSPX Asia cites 
the Letter of the Holy Office.
[Letter of the S.C. of the H. Office, Aug. 8, 
1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (CH 1256-7)].
The Letter has used the 
irrational premise ( baptism 
of desire cases are visible 
and known in the present
 times-1949) and irrational 
conclusion( and so these
 invisible visible cases are
 exceptions to the dogma 
EENS as it was known to 
Saint Ignatius of Antioch
 etc.quoted above)
You see the error?
The SSPX Asia contradicts
 itself.It has mixed up what 
is invisible as being 
visible, what is hypothetical
 as being practical exceptions
 to EENS.
This is an objective error. 
It is not just theology.
It cites the traditional 
interpretation of the dogma
 EENS which says there are
 no excepton and then it 
considers the baptism of 
desire etc as being an exception.
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Similarly for you and the 
SSPX would assume that
 Lumen Gentium 16 
(invincible ignorance)
 would be an exception
 to St. Ignatius of Antioch
 and the others quaoted above?
Correct?
So this is why Vatican Council 
II for you is a rupture with 
Tradtiion. It is a rupture with
 St. Ignatius of Antoich because
 of the false premise, 
the irrational premise.
-Lionel Andrades

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden
http://sspxasia.com/Documents/Catholic_Doctrine/Is-there-no-salvation-outside-the-Catholic-Church.htm

The traditionalists are using the same innovative theology as Archbishop Augustine di Noia and Cardinal Muller at the Vatican

There is a foundation of doctrine and dogma that the Church has built for us over the course of 2000 years--solid and settled. if their is an "innovative, new theology" emanating from Vat II, or elsewhere that is at odds with what has previously been defined, it is null and void.
Lionel:
Why do you say it is null and void?The Vatican Curia and even the traditionalists use it.
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Dr.John Dudley and the schools in Dallas
MARCH 14, 2014
Dr.John Dudley a professor at the Fischer-More College uses a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. He is not aware of this premise. So he rejected Vatican Council II in its entirety. The same false premise used by Dr.John Dudley is the norm for the interpretation of Vatican Council II in all the schools in Dallas.
Image result for Fisher More College Photo Dr.John Dudley
Dr. John Dudley states:
"I would argue that it is an dangerous standpoint for Catholics to say that they accept the II Vatican Council with the exception of those passages that contradict traditional Catholic teaching. There are so many passages that contradict traditional teaching that I would argue that it is of the greatest importance to entirely reject the II Vatican Council and to consider it comparable to the Second Council of Ephesus in 449AD which was rejected by the Council of Calcedon in 451. 

[Editor’s Note: The author later corrected this statement by acknowledging that the better analogy is to use the Second Council of Constantinople, which was a valid ecumenical council but was so deleterious to the life of the Church that it was eventually ignored and forgotten.] Catholics are in general ignorant of what the Second Vatican Council actually said. They need to know what the Council said and to know what is wrong with it and why it is incompatible with their Faith, and this is an important task of education."-Dr.John Dudley Fellow & Professor of Philosophy and Classical Studies, Fischer More College.

In the passages which contradict traditional teaching Dr.Dudley,a traditionalist, is using the premise of being able to see the dead who are saved in Heaven (LG 16, UR 3, LG 5, NA 2 etc) and who are exceptions to the dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc. This is an innovation. This is the new theology.For Prof. Dudley LG 16 (being saved in invincible ignorance) etc refer to visible for uscases instead of being invisible and hypothetical.This is a factual error.It is with this objective error that he interpreted Vatican Council II.He interpreted all hypothetical references as being objective! They would have to be objective to exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
The same error is being made during Religion Class in Catholic schools at Forth Worth and the rest of Dallas.
The traditionalist here are using the same innovative theology as Archbishop Augustine di Noia and Cardinal Muller at the Vatican.
-Lionel Andrades
http://fishermore.edu/faculty/...

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden

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Comment from The Remnant Newspaper
There is a foundation of doctrine and dogma that the Church has built for us over the course of 2000 years--solid and settled.
Lionel:
Yes I agree with you.
However when Vatican's CDF and Ecclesia Dei teach an error who is there to correct it?
HERE IS ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DI NOIA WITH THE MISTAKE.HE USES THE INNOVATIVE THEOLOGY.
Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text below?

I mentioned ithat Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition in itself.

It is only a break with Tradition if:-

1.It is assumed that hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objectively visible in 2016.
2.It is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy and not Cardinal Cushng the Archbishop of Boston.
3.It is assumed that Cushingism is the acceptable new theology which replaces Feeneyism.
Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text quoted below?
HERE IT IS.IT IS AVAILABLE ON LINE.
ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DO NOIA : ASSUMES WHAT IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD CAN BE KNOWN AND JUDGED BY US HUMAN BEINGS.
Archbiship Di Noia when specifically asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Edward Pentin for the National Catholic Register says the following. 
I don’t know if you can blame this on the Council so much as the emergence of a theological trend that emphasized the possibility of salvation of non-Christians. But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it. …The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted. I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.' - Archbishop Augustine di Noia ( 07/01/2012 ), Archbishop Di Noia, Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St. Pius X, National Catholic Register.
http://www.ncregister.com/dail...
ANALYSE HIS NON ORTHODOX STATEMENT 
But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it.
Lionel:

Here he infers that there is known salvation outside the Church. He infers that Vatican Council II says there is known salvation outside the Church.He means the baptism of desire refers to the possibility of salvation outside the Church and so also being saved in invincible ignorance. However this possibility is a personally known case for him. Someone objectively visible.Otherwise why would he mention it with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which says all need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members?

Known salvation is the key. If there is known salvation outside the Church then the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries has been changed.There is an exception even when the dogma suggests there is no exception(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).

The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted.
Lionel:
He infers here that Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and grace' , refer to known cases, objectively visible cases and so it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Can we know of someone saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth' in 2016 or over the last 20 years, or in the past?

I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.'
Lionel:
Here he actually says that he can judge them! He can know of people who will go to Heaven who are not members of the Catholic Church.He suggests that he knows of Anglicans and Lutherans who will not die with mortal sin on their soul in the future. So not only can Jesus judge them but he too can judge individual cases!

1.It is assumed that hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objectively visible in 2016.For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 refers to a visible case.It is not just a hypothethetical case.

2.It is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy and not Cardinal Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston.

Archbishop Di Noia assumes Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy for affirming EENS in which hypothetical cases were NOT exceptions to the dogma.
3.It is assumed that Cushingism is the acceptable new theology which replaces Feeneyism.
The members of the CDF/Ecclesia Dei are Cushingites. They assumes imaginary cases are not imaginary in the present times. They infer hypothetical cases are not hypothetical.So with this irrational premise they then conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition.
They know there is a choice.They know that if they accept EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney then pastorially Vatican Council Ii would be reconciled with EENS and Tradition.
Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text quoted above?


THIS IS A THEOLOGICAL INNOVATION AND NO ONE HAS PROTESTED.

WITHOUT THIS INNOVATION VATICAN COUNCIL WOULD BE SAYING ALL JEWS AND MUSLIMS NEED TO FORMALLY CONVERT INTO THE CHURCH WITH FAITH AND BAPTISM.

Would Archbishop Di Noia and Cardinal Muller be able to affirm Vatican Council II without the innovation?

-Lionel Andrades

No doctrine was changed in the text of Vatican Council II.However an irrational theology was used.With this theology the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which is a foundation dogma for other doctrine( ecumenism etc) was discarded

Comments from The Remnant Newspaper
And correct me if I am wrong, but was it not asserted by Paul VI that no doctrine was changed in Vat II, it was only a pastoral council? So where does that leave those new, improved notions put forth by Vat II, or the "Spirit" of Vat II?
Precisely.No doctrine was changed in the text.However an irrational theology was used.With this theology the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which is a foundation dogma for other doctrine( ecumenism etc) was discarded.
The theology was based on a false premise and conclusion.It was accepted by the magisterium and the traditionalists.
In this way Vatican Council has changed doctrine for all in general- but not for me. I avoid the false premise and conclusion. I do not use the theology to interpret any magisterial document.-Lionel Andrades

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden

The ambiguities in Vatican Council II are there ONLY when an irrational premise and conclusion is employed.

Comments from the Remnant Newspaper
The Holy Father seems to be the very personification of the Second Vatican Council, with its multitudinous ambiguities in which the Church’s traditional understanding or practice is affirmed in one place, only, in another place, to be immediately contradicted or neutralised by the alternatives being permitted. - Fr. Linus Clovis
This is not true.
The ambiguities are there ONLY when an irrational premise and conclusion is employed.
When hypothetical cases are interpreted as being objectively known in the present times,the conclusion has to be non traditional.This is what has happened with Vatican Council II.
I can affirm the Council with no ambiguities.I avoid the irrationality.-Lionel Andrades

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden

Vatican Council II is the only Council in which an objective mistake was made and was approved by the magisterium. Invisible cases ( baptism of desire etc) were assumed to be visible


The Lutheran Pope: Ecu-Maniacs in Sweden

The Lutheran Pope: Ecu-Maniacs in Sweden
Comments on the Remnant Newspaper
Additionally, Vatican II has the distinction of being the only ecumenical Council in Church history to win the world’s approval and similarly, Francis has received praise as no other Pope in history has ever been praised by the Church’s adversaries.-Fr. Linus Clovis
Yes.Since it is the only Council in which an objective mistake was made and it got approved by the magisterium.
Invisible cases ( baptism of desire etc) were assumed to be visible.

Then it was inferred that these invisible cases were visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to the 16th century missionaries.
The same thing was said in 1949 in the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston and they got away with it.They made the error official in 1960-65.

It is a fact of life that we cannot see any case of the baptism of desire in 2016 or in 1949. So how can the baptism of desire be relevant or an exception to the traditiona interpretation of EENS, unless we can see ghosts on earth or the deceased in Heaven?
-Lionel Andrades
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden



Padre Cavalcoli si spiega: “Il terremoto non è legato alla legge sulle unioni civili ma…”

http://www.lafedequotidiana.it/esclusivo-padre-cavalcoli-si-spiega-il-terremoto-non-e-legato-alla-legge-sulle-unioni-civili-ma/
 lafedequotidiana.it

ESCLUSIVO - Padre Cavalcoli si spiega: "Il terremoto non è legato alla legge sulle unioni civili …

Padre Giovanni Cavalcoli parla dopo le polemiche sul suo intervento a Radio Maria.
http://www.lafedequotidiana.it/esclusivo-padre-cavalcoli-si-spiega-il-terremoto-non-e-legato-alla-legge-sulle-unioni-civili-ma/
  Gloria Dio Padre1 ora fa
Padre Cavalcoli dice la verita', ma poi tiene i piedi in due scarpe. Ecco cosa afferma: Io ritengo che sia in atto una manovra massonica contro Radio Maria che infastidisce e probabilmente è minacciata. Satana è entrato nella Chiesa da tempo e nello stesso Vaticano. Il Papa non è eretico, ma si circonda di falsi amici e cattivi consiglieri come Kasper, Ravasi, Bianchi, Ronchi e Cantalamessa”. Quindi non riconosce le eresie bergogliane e pure giustifica radio Maria (che cambi il nome) quando e' sempre esplicitamente, da quando Papa Benedetto l'hanno ricattato e mandato via, ed i massoni hanno messo bergoglio, P. Livio ha fatto papolatria, e la dottrina la conosce, ma ha voluto accecarsi pur di dargli ragione. E povere anime che continuano ascoltare Radio Maria, solo ascoltabile per Rosari o Messe (tapparsi le orecchie per prediche eretico-luterane-bergogliane). Padre Cavalcoli se avesse avuto coerenza non avrebbe fatto le sopracitate asserzioni. Quindi il martire bergoglio e' vittima dei suoi amici? Ma stiamo scherzando? E' stato indottrinato bene da martini e la massoneria gesuita prima di entrare in vaticano. Ed uno che firma un patto con i luterani NON E' ERETICO? Che delusione, alla fine pare che difendano CRISTO E LA VERITA' ma trovano una scappatoia. Sta scritto NON SI PUO' SERVIRE DIO O MAMMONA, cosa teme di fare la fine di Socci, il Compianto Palmaro e De Mattei? Il segno che siano stati potati da Radio Maria e' buono, segno di coerenza fedelta' e appartenenza a GESU' CRISTO E MARIA. I TIEPIDI LI VOMITO DICE IL SIGNORE

 alda luisa corsini2 ore fa
FORZA, PADRE CAVALCOLI, AVANTI COSI' SENZA PAURA!

Dio perdona, il Vaticano no: terremoto e castigo divino, fulmini su Radio Maria

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"Dio perdona, il Vaticano no" (nuova Bussola Quotidiana)


Dio perdona, il Vaticano no: terremoto e castigo divino, fulmini su Radio Maria

La nuova bussola quotidiana quotidiano cattolico d'opinione
lanuovabq.it
http://www.lanuovabq.it/it/articoli-dio-perdona-il-vaticano-noterremoto-e-castigo-divino-fulmini-su-radio-maria-17938.htm

 


Ma Padre Cavalcoli a La Zanzara, confermo: 'castigo divino' Padre Giovanni Cavalcoli, a La Zanzara su Radio 24 non si è scusato per le frasi sul terremoto da lui dette a Radio Maria il 30 ottobre: "Confermo tutto, terremoti provocati da peccati …

Vatican condemns Catholic radio that said quakes were God's wrath for gay law : says Jewish Left Reuters

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http://news.trust.org/item/20161104190930-g5l9e

http://www.corrispondenzaromana.it/terremoti-e-castighi-divini/

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December 11, 2015

Traditionalists like Reuters correspondents use Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II : Feeneyism cannot be part of the dialogue
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/traditionalists-like-reuters.html
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October 28, 2015
The Vatican has made a mistake and there is a cover up by liberal journalists

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/the-vatican-has-made-mistake-and-there.html


Associated Press blacks out information on magisterial heresy : AP reports on Vatican Council II were based on a factual error









Religion correspondents keep prudently silent on Magisterial Error in Vatican Council II :Vatican's CDF made a mistake

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/development-of-error-in-catholic-church_26.html

Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-walter-kasper-said-in.html
Vatican Council II has an error : secular journalists, cardinals and bishops don't know what to do

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/vatican-council-ii-has-error-secular.html
Religion journalists : did the Magisterium made a mistake?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/religion-journalists-did-magisterium.html

Bishop Donald Sanborn like Bishop Fellay has made the same mistake : so have Reuters and AP correspondents http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/bishop-donald-sanborn-like-bishop.html

Huffington Post interprets Vatican Council II with the Baltimore error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/huffington-post-interprets-vatican.html

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November 12, 2009
Lumen Gentium 14 says all the members of the American Jewish Committee, Anti-Defamation League, National Council of Synagogues, Orthodox Union and Rabbinical Council of America are oriented to Hell
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search/label/Anti-Defamation%20League
January 8, 2013

May 12, 2014
Israeli Parliament will hold special meeting to pay tribute to Pope John XXIII http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/israeli-parliament-will-hold-special.html

April 9, 2013
Rorate censorship being maintained by the Left

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/rorate-censorship-being-maintained-by.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBOhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links

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April 3, 2013
It is to be seen what concessions Pope Francis will give to the enemy

January 8, 2013
The 'enemies of the Church' are using the false premise: Fr.Arnaud Rostand misses this point http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-enemies-of-church-are-using-false.html
April 3, 2012
It’s time for cardinal, bishops and traditional religious groups to say openly that they accept Vatican Council II and reject the Jewish Left interpretation of the Council.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/its-time-for-cardinal-bishops-and.html




February 8, 2012
GREGORIAN UNIVERSITY EMERGING AS A JEWISH LEFT, ISLAMIC CENTRE UNDER TALMUDIC CONTROL

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/gregorian-university-emerging-as-jewish.html

January 12, 2013

The Vatican needs to clarify that that the ADL, Bnai Brith, Masonic interpretation of Vatican Council II is not that of the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-vatican-needs-to-clarify-that-that.html


 All good Catholics should reject the ADL version of Vatican Council II.This is not just an SSPX issue. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/all-good-catholics-should-reject-adl.html

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  People praying in Norcia, Italy

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/11/04/upon-the-rivers-of-babylon-there-we-sat-and-wept/