Tuesday, November 1, 2016

In the past the Catholic Church was always Christocentric with an exclusivist ecclesiology.With the innovation of the false premise and conclusion the Catholic Church only remains Christocentric and so no more supports an ecumenism of return.

The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric."

It must be also a Christocentric ecclesiology.
Lionel:
It is presently Christocentric in the Catholic Church. It is also Christocentric in other Christian communities.
Only being Christocentric is vague and confusing.The Jehovah's Witnessess accept Jesus but with different doctrines. Lutherans do not accept the Catholic Eucharist. Other Christians approve of contraception and divorce.
In the past the Catholic Church was always Christocentric with an exclusivist ecclesiology.
With the innovation of the false premise and conclusion the Catholic Church only remains Christocentric and so no more supports an ecumenism of return.
-Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

There can only be a clarification if they agree that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II with or without an irrational premise and conclusion? This is the central thesis of what I am saying.


There can only be a clarification if they agree that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II with or without an irrational premise and conclusion?

This is the central thesis of what I am saying.

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ




SEPTEMBER 17, 2015


Bishop Bernard Tisseur de Mallerais repeats the error of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre: he assumes Nostra Aetate contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Image result for aPhoto Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais
Bishop Bernard Tisseur de Mallerais repeats the error of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre: he assumes Nostra Aetate contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ


MAY 18, 2014

Bishop Bernard Tisseur de Mallerais repeats the error of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/bishop-bernard-…

So we have two conclusions and two interpretations.One has to be correct and the other wrong.Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops used the irrational premise and conclusion?



In principle we agree that dogmas are important and they do not change, they do not develop.We also agree that the hermeneutic of Vatican Council II, and other magisterial documents must have a continuity with the past dogmas.
Theoretically the same view would also be expressed by Cardinal Ratzinger and the SSPX bishops.
But pastorally, in general, Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition,It is a break with the old ecclesiology and the dogma extra eccclesiam nulla salus as it was known over the centuries.So practically, in 2016 we have exceptions to the way the dogma EENS was known, for example, to the 16th missionaries.
Pope Benedict XVI a few months back confirmed that EENS is not more like it was for the 16th century missionaries.It has developed he said, with Vatican Council II.
So in reality, in real life, pastorally, he is saying categorically in the interview in Avvenire that the dogma EENS has changed.Then he also approved the development in Vatican Council II, which creates a break with EENS. He accepts Vatican Council II as such.
So pastorally EENS has changed for Pope Benedict and there are practical exceptions, to EENS .
Now we come to th the issue I have raised.
For me EENS has not changed and there are no practical exceptions in Vatican Council II to this dogma as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
I consider hypotyhetical cases as being only hypothetical. So there are no practical exceptions to EENS in 2016.
Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops consider the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being exceptions to EENS. So LG 16 would refer to an explicit case in 2016 for it to be an exception to EENS.
So our premises and conclusions are different.
With my premise ( no known cases of the baptism of desire etc in 2016) and conclusion( Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS and the Syllabus of Errors) Vatican Council II affirms the old ecclesiology.
So we have two conclusions and two interpretations.One has to be correct and the other wrong.
Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops used the irrational premise and conclusion?

-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

Do you think that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre also made a mistake in theology and lost the truth?

Do you think that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre also made a mistake in theology and lost the truth?

Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Lefebvre did not know : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church


Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Lefebvre did not know that withFeeneyism Vatican Council II does nothave a hermeneutic of rupture .
They did not know that with
 Feeneyism Vatican Council II would not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So there could only be an ecumenism of return.All Lutherans in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

They did not know that with
 Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King.
They did not know that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Since there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS as it was known to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston. -Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

With Feeneyism ( no physically known execeptions to EENS) Vatican Council II changes

NOVEMBER 1, 2016


Sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada have still to say : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/sedevacantists-bishop-donald-sanborn.html

NOVEMBER 1, 2016


Atila S. Guimarães and Robert de Mattei wrote books on Vatican Council II not knowing that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/atila-s-guimaraes-and-robert-de-mattei.html


NOVEMBER 1, 2016


Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary,Ecclesia Dei will not say it : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/monsguido-pozzo-s

-Lionel Andrades

 OCTOBER 29, 2016

Feeneyism is the missing link

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/feeneyism-is-missing-link.html

Sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada have still to say : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church

The sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn,Fr.Anthony Cekada and the Dimond Brothers( Most Holy Family Monastery) like Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary of Ecclesia Dei will not admit in public that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church.

They do  not admit that  with Feeneyism Vatican Council II does not have a hermeneutic of rupture .
Nor are they announcing that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II would not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So there can only be an ecumenism of return.All Lutherans in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

With Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King but they do not say this.
They will not will not say that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need 'faith and baptism' for salvation,since there are no pratical exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
-Lionel Andrades




Bishop Donald Sanborn like Bishop Fellay has made the same mistake : so have Reuters and AP correspondents
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/bishop-donald-sanborn-like-bishop.html

This error is being taught by Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada at the sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity seminary in Florida, USA.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/this-error-is-being-taught-by-bishop.html

Sedevacantists after months of discussions cannot answer if Lumen Gentium 16 is explicit or implicit and if it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/message-incomplete-four-months-have.html

The sedevacantists affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X but not as Feeneyites.They assume that invincible ignorance refers to explicit cases, objectively visible in 2016 and so they are exceptions to that Catechism saying all need to enter the Church for salvation

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/the-sedevacantists-affirm-catechism-of.html

 OCTOBER 2, 2015

Does BOD and I.I refer to visible or invisible cases in 2015 where you live? is a difficult question for a sedevacantist priesthttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/does-bod-and-ii-refer-to-visible-or.html


Fr.Paul Kramer and Fr.Anthony Cekada cannot know of any physical exception to EENS: There are no explicit cases of BOD and BOB
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/frpaul-kramer-and-franthony-cekada.html

AUGUST 3, 2015

Wikipedia and Most Holy Trinity,Florida sedevacantist seminary make the same error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/wikipedia-and-most-holy-trinity-usa.html

Atila S. Guimarães and Robert de Mattei wrote books on Vatican Council II not knowing that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church.

Atila S. Guimarães and Robert de Mattei wrote books on Vatican Council II not knowing that  with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church.

atila sinke guimaraesImage result for Roberto dei Mattei  PhotoAtila S. Guimarães and Robert de Mattei wrote their books on Vatican Council II while assuming imaginary and hypothetical cases were objectively visible and that these objectively visible cases, were exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So they both rejected Vatican Council II as being a break with Tradition after using this irrational premise and conclusion.
For both of them Lumen Gentium 16( saved in invincible ignorance) referred to someone known, who was saved without the baptism of water in the present times.So for them this was an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
For both of them Lumen Gentium 8 refers not to an invisible but  known case of people in ther present times(2016) saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. It would have to be in the present times ,otherwise why would Lumen Gentium 8 be an exception to the dogma on salvation ? So this is an exception to the old ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.Since there was known salvation outside the Church and ecumenism of return has exceptions.With this theology they are liberals.
They did not know that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II does not have a hermeneutic of rupture .
They did not know that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II would not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).So there could only be an ecumenism of return.All Lutherans in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

They did not know that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King.
They did not know that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Since there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS as it was known to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
For both of them Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 refers to an objectively visible case, may be of a Protestant, Anglican or Lutheran, who is/was saved outside the visible limits of the Church.So outside the Church there is objecively known salvation for them.They both use the false premise to reach a non traditional and heretical conclusion.So fault is not there with Vatican Council II but there interpretation of it.They replaced traditional Feeneyism with the new theology.
As I mentioned in a previous blog post for me Vatican Council II is not a break with the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Robert Bellarmine, St.Francis Xavier, the three Church Councils which defined it and the many popes were affirmed it.I do not reject the baptism of desire etc. I just assume that they are invisiblle and hypothetical cases. If they happened they would only be known to God.
So I am affirming the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS along with implicit and invisible for baptism of desire.Similarly being saved in invincible ignorance with or without the baptism of water, for me, is an imaginary and hypothetical case. So it is irrelevant to Feeneyite EENS. Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objecitive mistake. An injustice was done to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.
For me Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Holy Office in 1949 were in heresy and Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center were teaching orthodoxy, in as much as the present day traditionalists and sedevacantists, like the liberals, are affirming heresy, though unknowingly.-Lionel Andrades


OCTOBER 22, 2016


Atila S. Guimarães and Robert de Mattei wrote books on Vatican Council II while assuming imaginary and hypothetical cases were objectively visiblehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/atila-s-guimaraes-and-robert-de-mattei.html


OCTOBER 21, 2016


Atila S. Guimarães was ignorant of all this when he wrote his bookhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/atila-s-guimaraes-was-ignorant-of-all.html

Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary,Ecclesia Dei will not say it : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church



Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary of Ecclesia Dei will not admit in public that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church

He is not admitting that  with Feeneyism Vatican Council II does not have a hermeneutic of rupture .
He is not announcing that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II would not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So there can only be an ecumenism of return.All Lutherans in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
With Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King but he does not say this to the SSPX.
For political reasons he will not say that with Feeneyism Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Since there are no pratical exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.-Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 30, 2014


...and Monsignor Guido Pozzo

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/and-monsignor-guido-pozzo.html


OCTOBER 27, 2014

Mons.Guido Pozzo still hides the factual mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office which is carried over into the Catechism of the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/monsguido-pozzo-still-hides-factual.html

 OCTOBER 27, 2014 
Mons.Guido Pozzo nasconde ancora l'errore di fatto nella Lettera del Sant'Uffizio, che è riportato nel Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/monsguido-pozzo-nasconde-ancora-lerrore.html

OCTOBER 24, 2014
Mons.Guido vuole la FSSPX accettare il magistero con errori di fatto e dottrinali
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/mnonsguido-vuole-la-fsspx-accettare-il.html

 APRIL 1, 2015
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/new-hope-for-sspx-vatican-doctrinal.html

OCTOBER 26, 2014
If Vatican Council II is ‘discovered’ to be traditional on other religions and Christian communities then the Vatican Curia will have to go on the defensive http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/if-vatican-council-ii-is-discovered-to.html


 OCTOBER 31, 2016


Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Lefebvre did not know : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/cardinal-ratzinger-and-archbishop.html
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/where-are-we-sspx%E2%80%94abp-pozzo-14381