Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Concilio Vaticano II supporta la formazione di uno Stato Cattolico dovrebbe essere nel manifesto di Forza Nuova, Militia Christi,Lega Nord e altri partiti politici cattolici: dovrebbe essere parte della loro Evangelizzazione sulla strade in Italia

Concilio Vaticano II supporta la formazione di uno Stato Cattolico dovrebbe essere nel manifesto di Forza Nuova, Militia Christi, Lega Nord e altri partiti politici cattolici: dovrebbe essere parte della loro  Evangelizzazione sulla strade in Italia.Senza l'errore di Richard Cushing, Concilio Vaticano II afferma il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Questa è la base per uno Stato Cattolico.Con il Concilio Vaticano II che rispecchia il dogma extra  eccleisam nulla salus  è una necessità morale di proclamare, che c'è una sola vera fede in qui tutti hanno bisogna entrare visibilmente per salvezza.
 Per un cattolico, tutti i settori della vita deve centrare su Gesù come noto e insegnato nella Chiesa Cattolica.Questo deve essere al centro di tutto legislazione.Sociale e politicamente, il Concilio Vaticano II e il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica insegna 'interpretazione letterale del dogma fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza.Questa è la fede cattolica che esprime nella fede e di morale, sociale e politico attività. Non ce la separazione della propria fede e della vita quotidiana in tutti i suoi aspetti.
La sinistra ebraica, massoni ecc. interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II mescolando nelle dichiarazioni di principio come de facto e noto a noi in realità presente .Così Concilio Vaticano II emerge come una rottura con il passato. E 'quindi in contraddizione con il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, il Sillabo, il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica e della Tradizione in generale.Concilio Vaticano II, senza la premessa irrazionale; senza mescolare le dichiarazioni de fatto e de jure, afferma il Regno Sociale di Cristo Re.


Così i media, come l'agenzia di stampa Reuters, interpreta sempre il Concilio come una  'rivoluzione', una rottura con il passato, ecc., Reuters vuole anche la Fraternità San Pio X ad accettare questa interpretazione del Concilio utilizzando la falsa premessa cioe case invisibili e visibili, casi di battesimo di desiderio in cielo e visibili sulla terra.
Vescovo Athanasius Schneider ha detto che non è contrario al Concilio Vaticano di avere uno Stato cattolico in cui il governo riconosce la vera adorazione e tollera le altre religioni e non li perseguitano. Sarebbe riconoscere che la maggior parte del popolo di quello stato sono cattolici e vogliono consegnare questa Tradizione alla loro nipoti. Loro hanno anche alcuni privilegi per quanto riguarda la loro religione. Questa è la regola della democrazia in cui le persone sono in maggioranza. (31.44)



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The Most Reverend Bishop Athanasius Schneider - "Vatican II Must be Clarified" (June 27, 2013) 1080p (Video : Youtube)

Nessun comunicato stampa sono emessi da Forza Nuova, Militia Christi, Lega Nord  e organizzazioni politiche cattoliche in Italia, quando i media di sinistra afferma che il Concilio Vaticano II è una rottura con il passato sulla questione delle altre religioni.Ha bisogno di essere spiegato ai media che, quando nelle dichiarazioni di principio in Concilio Vaticano II si presume siano de fatto e noto a noi nei tempi attuali, quindi il Concilio Vaticano II emerge come una rottura con il passato.Forza Nuova, Militia Christi, Lega Nord ecc dovrebbe affermare il Concilio Vaticano II come una continuazione con la Tradizione, in particolare il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Dovrebbe essere spiegato che Ad Gentes 7 afferma la posizione tradizionale della Chiesa cattolica sulle altre religioni.
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Lumen Gentium 16 ( l'ignoranza invincibile, ecc) è anche in accordo con Ad Gentes 7, dal momento che chi è implicito e non noto per noi come esplicito. Lumen Gentium 16 e irrelevante per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, come è stato conosciuto dai papi e concili che hanno definito il dogma.Una volta compreso questo concetto si potrebbe emettere regolarmente chiarimenti dal Concilio Vaticano II supporta la formazione di uno Stato cattolico e questo potrebbe essere parte del loro manifesto politico.-Lionel Andrades




 
Vatican Council II supports the formation of a Catholic State should be in the manifesto of Forza Nuova, Militia Christi and other Catholic political parties : it should be part of their Street Evangelisation in Italy.

Without the Richard Cushing Error Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .This is the basis for a Catholic State.

With Vatican Council II mirroring the dogma extra eccleisam nulla salus there is a moral necessity to proclaim ,there is only one true faith and all need to enter it visibly for salvation.So for a Catholic all areas of life must center on Jesus as known and taught in the Catholic Church.For a Catholic this must be the focus of all social and political legislation.Since, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church still teach the literal interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.
This is the Catholic Faith expressed in faith and morals, social and political activity.There is no separation of one's faith and daily living in all its aspects.
The Jewish Left, Masons etc, interpret Vatican Council II mixing up in principle statements as being de facto and known to us .So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the past. It then contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Tradition in general.
Vatican Council II,without the irrational premise; without mixing defacto and dejure statements, affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King .

So the media, like the news agency Reuters, always interprets the Council as ' a revolution', a break with the past etc. Reuters also wants the SSPX to accept this interpretation of the Council using the false premise.

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that it is not contrary to Vatican Council to have a Catholic State in which the Government recognizes true worship and tolerates other religions and does not persecute them. It would be recognized that the majority of the people of that state are Catholic and they want to hand this Tradition to their grandchildren.So they also have some privileges regarding their religion. This is the rule of democracy where the people are in a majority.(31.44)www.youtube.com/watch

No Press Releases are issued by Forza Nuova, Militia Christi and Catholic political organisations in Italy, when the leftist media states that Vatican Council II is a break with the past on the issue of other religions.

It needs to be explained to the media that when in principle statements in Vatican Council II are assumed to be defacto and known to us in the present times, then Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the past.

Forza Nuova, Militia Christi etc should affirm Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition, especially the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It should be explained that Ad Gentes 7 affirms the traditional position of the Catholic Church on other religions and that Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance etc) also is in agreement with AG 7, since it is implicit and not known to us.LG 16  is irelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known by the popes and Councils who defined the dogma.

Once they understand this concept they could regularly issue clarifications since Vatican Council II supports the formation of a Catholic State and this could be part of their political manifesto.

-Lionel Andrades
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Catechism of the Catholic Church reflects Vatican Council II which does not contradict EENS and the old ecclesiology, that of the 16th century missionaries.

No matter how many times I read what you wrote, I cannot comprehend the logic you are using. Baptism of desire presumes that the person has not received baptism of water. There is no such thing as someone having been baptized with water who then can receive baptism of desire or blood.
Lionel:
The baptism of desire is not a de fide teaching of the Church it is not a dogma of the Church. It is said with God all things are possible and God is not limited to the Sacraments. So in this sense a person can receive the baptism of desire without the baptism of water. However if God is God and can do what he wants then he can also save a person with the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water in a manner known to him.
Anyway that all need the baptism of water for salvation is the de fide teaching.
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And again, you asked me this question: "However do you know of a known case of the baptism of desire past or present?". And again I will answer that NO one can possibly know of a known case of baptism of desire, past or present, because it takes place after death and ONLY God knows when it happens. So you need not ask that question of anyone anymore, because no one can possibly answer the question. You're getting hung up on something that you shouldn t be getting hung up on.

Lionel:
O.K so we agree that there are no physically known cases of the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance, with or without the baptism of water, in 2016.This is common knowledge.
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As for Vatican II, it contradicts Church teaching that came before it, so it cannot be a true Council.
Lionel:
Not for me.It does not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This is important. So there is no change in an ecumenism of return and that all need faith and baptism for salvation , there being no known exceptions in 2016.It supports the old ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
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This means the CCC is not trustworthy.
Lionel:
 The CCC reflects Vatican Council II which does not contradict EENS and the old ecclesiology, that of the 16th century missionaries.
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So for the sake of discussion, let's focus on the catechism of Pope St. Pius X for the moment. You stated, "The Catechism of Pope Pius X says all need to be incorporated into the Church as members while the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 says the opposite." This is incorrect; the catechism of Pope St. Pius X does not say this. Here are two applicable quotes from it:
The Creed, Ninth Article, The Church in Particular: 29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation"
Lionel:
O.K.Fine. It does not contradict Feeneyite EENS so far.
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Baptism, Necessity of Baptism and Obligations of the Baptized: 17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.
Lionel:
O.K hypothetically it is possible to be saved without the baptism of water in certain conditions.It still does not contradict Feeneyite EENS. Since hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS in 2016 unless we can physically see these cases.We both agree that we cannot do so.
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The letter of the Holy Office from 1949 says exactly the same thing where it states:
"Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing. However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire". It then explains further down:
"But it must not be thought that any kind of desire of entering the Church suffices that one may be saved. It is necessary that the desire by which one is related to the Church be animated by perfect charity."
Lionel:
'that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member,'.
He is referring to a defacto case here.
He is saying there is a physically knowable or known case in the present times (1949).
Otherwise how can he say that it is not always required...?
Why would he criticize Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center who held the 'rigorist'interpretation of the dogma EENS?
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Lionel, you are misinterpreting Pope St. Pius X's catechism or the letter from the Holy Office - they both say the same thing. Pope Pius XII would not blatantly and publicly contradict Pope St. Pius X for all the world to see.
Lionel:
For me the magisterial documents are Feeneytite, also for you?
If it is the same thing then why do you not support Feeneyism as I express it? -Lionel Andrades
 

Fr.Gabriele Amorth recommended those feeling attacked or oppressed to seek the counsel of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. He believed that the apparition site of Medjugorje was not only authentic but a huge heavenly strategy to defeat the current onslaught of evil

An Exorcist's Last Testament
The latest and last book by famed exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth of Rome, who once assisted in an exorcism with Saint John Paul II, and who died last month (9/16), is no standard sequel. It is as fresh and packed with information and fascinating anecdotes as his previous works, with a number of bold and sometimes stunning assertions.
Among the assertions:
That diabolical obsession, particularly in the young, "can lead to confusion about one's gender" -- an incredible remark from a top authority on spiritual matters and one that more than puts to question the current tolerance for -- and enabling of -- open homosexuality and transgenderism. (In so doing, are we promoting Satan?)
As controversial, at least in the popular culture at large: Father Amorth's belief that a "dramatic increase in the number of possessed persons and spiritual disturbances" has paralleled "the generalized decline of the Faith and the spreading of a culture favoring magic."
Specifically, the exorcist cites: "television series such as Witches and films such as Harry Potter" -- as Pope Benedict XVI also indicated concern about the wildly popular Potter wizard novels, which have found acceptance even among practicing Catholics: a "sacred cow" that few have dared to attack (for fear of seeming extreme) and as a result pollute the minds of our young. The exorcist warns against all horror movies and anything that promotes the notion that "reality can be modified with the wave of a wand."
Discussing everything from Masonry to satanism, Father Amorth explains how brushing against let alone immersing oneself in the occult can have long-lasting consequences -- causing everything from psychological disorder to tumors and other physical ailments.
In fact, while Father Amorth said he always requested those seeking his assistance to first consult with a psychiatrist (to see if the issue could be resolved in that manner), and while he believed a good number of cases that came to him were psychiatric in nature, he also argues that many psychological problems are so similar to what demons cause that they are often mixed together. He quotes Saint Padre Pio, who, as Father Amorth puts it, "was convinced that many persons who were admitted to psychiatric hospitals and who remained there during their entire natural life were, in reality, possessed by the demon and an exorcism would have been enough to cure them."
Father Amorth notes that a "great apostle of psychiatric illnesses," the Carmelite Francis Palau from Spain, exorcised all the patients in one hospital, "curing many of them."
So thin is the line between "psychiatric" and "diabolical," and so similar are they, that it comes down, notes Father Amorth, to learned intuition and spiritual "discernment" -- as so many things in the mystical realm do (necessitating prayer and fasting).
And when a priest is not available, Amorth recommended those feeling attacked or oppressed to seek the counsel of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. He believed that the apparition site of Medjugorje was not only authentic but a huge heavenly strategy to defeat the current onslaught of evil. He also urges use of the term "evil one" instead of just the generalized "evil" -- to personalize the battle, which makes deliverance more effective (including at the conclusion of the Lord's Prayer, where "evil one" was the original translation).
There is much more: his openness to the possibility of healing the family tree; his descriptions of especially intense cases of possession; his belief that priests can suffer from serious spiritual evils; his explanation on how various curses affect us -- often without our knowing it!
If you are going to read only one book on spiritual warfare this year, make it this one.

The Popes, Card.Ratzinger.Mons.Lefebvre overlooked an objective error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.The bad fruit we see is due to the misinterpretation and not to Vatican Council II per se.It can be changed today.

We now know that the Popes, Cardinal Ratzinger and Mons.Lefebvre overlooked an objective error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Without this error Vatican Council II is in accord with the Catechism of Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors  and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to 16 ° century missionaries.
Vatican II supports an ecumenism of return and the need for everyone to have 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) for salvation with no known exceptions in 2016.
So we could say that the bad fruit we see is due to the misinterpretation of Vatican Council II and not to Vatican Council II per se.
It can be changed today.1.
-Lionel Andrades

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Ora sappiamo che i papi, il cardinale Ratzinger e Mons.Lefebvre trascurato un errore oggettiva nell'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II:Può essere cambiato oggi http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/ora-sappiamo-che-i-papi-il-cardinale.html


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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/vatican-council-ii-is-feeneyite-and.html

May be the Vatican has dropped the requirement for the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II since they know that the Council is Feeneyite and can be interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the old ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/may-be-vatican-has-dropped-requirement.html



I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/i-follow-catechism-of-trent-in.html


VATICAN COUNCIL II CAN BE READ ACCORDING TO CUSHINGISM OR FEENEYISM. THE TEXT IS NEUTRAL

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/vatican-council-ii-can-be-read.html


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