Wednesday, August 10, 2016

When I meet Catholics I say Vatican Council II says outside the Church there is no salvation and all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell.

I do not use the Leftist-Lefebvrist interpretation of Vatican Council II.When I meet Catholics I would be asking them to accept Vatican Council II as I do.
So when I meet a Catholic I could ask, "Why don't you accept Vatican Council II?"
"I do accept Vatican Council II" he would respond.
"Then why don't you say that Vatican Council II says all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and other non Catholics need to formally enter the Church( with faith and baptism) to avoid Hell( for salvation).You do not say this in public.This is the teaching of Vatican Council II."
"Where does Vatican Council II say this" he asks surprised.
"In Ad Gentes 7 for example. Also in Lumen Gentium 14. NA 4 says Catholics are the new people of God."I would reply.
"What does it say ? he asks.
"It says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All."I say.
"Oh.yes".
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Others respond:"Vatican Council II also refers to someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire."
"Yes Vatican Council II refers to a person being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or a catechumen being saved without the baptism of water(LG 14) but LG 14 and LG 16 does not specifically state that this is without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. One has to infer it. The text does not say it. You have to infer it.I assume it is with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church since this is the dogmatic teaching.
Secondly LG 14 and LG 16 should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II since there are no such cases known in the past or present time. No one could have seen, met or known any such person, who would be in Heaven.
Thirdly it is not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , the Feeneyite version, since there are no such exceptions in 2016.LG 14 and LG 16 do not refer to explicit cases for them to be exceptions to EENS.
So Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and we do not and cannot know of any exception in the present times to AG 7 and LG 14.
Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Church for salvation, tell this to everyone.
Since outside the Church there is no salvation, there can only be an ecumenism of return in Vatican Council II.
Since outside the Church there is no salvation all political laws must have the teachings of the Catholic Church at its centre.There must be no separation of Church and State.
This has been my approach when I meet liberals and lefebvrists. I tell them that I affirm Vatican Council II and also the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.In fact I tell this to everyone.
I attend the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo affirming the old ecclesiology and Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).
Most Catholics do not understand the difference  between implicit and explicit baptism of desire( LG 14) and visible and invisible being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16).So they do not understand me.
They are conditioned to believe that ' the case of the catechumen' is always explicit. Explicit baptism of desire of the explicit catechumen contradicts Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So they reject the dogma EENS.Or they accept Cushingite EENS.
Or they accept Feeneyite EENS and reject Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) since LG 16 and LG 14 , for them, refers to explicit cases, objectively known.
The contemporary magisterium, the liberals, the Lefebvrists and the St. Benedict Centers of Fr. Leonard Feeney, interpret LG 16, LG 14 etc as being explicit.This is irrational. It is an objective error.
So when I affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the 16th century missionaries and also Vatican Council II, they cannot understand me.
For me there can be two options, one rational and the other irrational, one is Feeneyite and the other is Cushingite.
Vatican Council II is Feeneyite when LG 16, LG 8 etc refer  to invisible cases. It is Cushingite when LG 16 etc refer to visible cases.
The Lefebvrist and Leftist interpretation of EENS is Cushingite.For them the baptism of desire( Cushingite,explicit) are objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite).This is a theological innovation.
For me the baptism of desire ( Feeneyite, implicit for us, invisible for us) cannot be an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite).
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For Archbishop Lefebvre there was an explicit baptism of desire which was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite). So theologically there was no extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite) for Archbishop Lefebvre.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus was really always Cushingite for him since there were explicit exceptions in the baptism of desire etc.So he rejected Vatican Council II and could not say that Vatican Council II says all Jews, Muslims and other non Catholics need to convert into the Church for salvation.
When I meet Catholics I say that Vatican Council II says outside the Church there is no salvation and all need to convert into the Church  to avoid Hell.
Vatican Council II affirms the old ecclesiology so there can only be an ecumenism of return.
Since outside the Church there is no salvation, all political legislation must have Jesus as known in the Catholic Church, as it's centre. There must not be a separation of Church and State.
-Lionel Andrades

Italian journalist Antonio Socci believes that when Pope Francis visiited Assisi he was not aware that in St. Francis he honored one of the biggest Catholic fundamentalists who ever existed-Gloria TV

Gloria.TV News on the 10th of August 2016

 
Ideological Exploitation: The right wing anti-Islam US commentator Dennis Prager has criticized Pope Francis’ quote – “disturbing moral relativism on Islam” and accused him of leftism, because Francis refused to speak of – quote – “Islamic violence”…
 
The Italian journalist Antonio Socci believes that when Pope Francis while  visiting Assisi he was not aware that in St. Francis he honored one of the biggest Catholic fundamentalists who ever existed.
All though the pope loves to polemicize against 'Catholic fundamentalists'.St.Francis insisted in a literal application of the Gospell, he participated in the Crusades, he knew that one needs to convert into the Church in order to be saved and kept warning of eternal damnation -Gloria TV
 
 

Italian police cook elderly couple pasta after neighbours hear crying


Italian police cook elderly couple pasta after neighbours hear crying
Italian police cook elderly couple pasta after neighbours hear crying 'Sometimes the loneliness melts into tears. Sometimes it's like a summer storm. It comes suddenly and overtakes one,' say the Rome police in a statement Jess Staufenberg Andrea, …
 
 
Four policemen cooked pasta for an elderly couple after their loneliness and television news caused them such distress they were overheard crying.

Eighty-four-year-old Jole and 94-year-old Michele told police that no one had visited them in months and they were desperately saddened by the state of the world.

Yet in a rare break from fighting crime in one of Italy's best-known
tourist - and mafia - hotspots, four policemen called to their door stopped to comfort them by cooking them up some of the country's most famous exports: pasta and parmesan.


Their team posted the incident on the force's
Facebook post, where it has been shared more than 23,000 times and liked, loved or cried over using the site's emojis more than 64,000 times.

The almost-poetic description of the incident laid out the scene in the moments before the policemen - named Andrea, Alessandro, Ernesto and Mirko - were called out.

"It is not always an easy life. Especially when the city is empty and the neighbours are away on vacation. Sometimes the loneliness melts into tears. Sometimes it's like a summer storm. It comes suddenly and overtakes one," said the statement.

"Jole and Michele, they love each other. But when the loneliness is a burden on the heart, it may happen that they lose hope.

The couple told the policemen that Jole had become overwhelmed by the tales of abuse and war on the television and begun to desperately cry, with her partner despairing at her grief and becoming
upset too.

"There isn't a crime. Jole and Michele are not victims of scams, as often happens to the elderly and no burglar came in the house. There's no one to save," continued the post.

"This time, for the boys flying over, there is a more difficult task to perform. There are two lonely souls to reassure.

"[...] They ask for permission to access the pantry. Improvise a little dinner. A bowl of pasta with butter and cheese. Nothing special.

"But with a precious ingredient: inside it is humanity."

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-Gloria Tv