Saturday, July 16, 2016

Cardinal Robert Sarah has still not sorted out the issue of the two faiths during Mass, one with the theology of their being known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the other which omits this irrationality.

Cardinal Robert Sarah has still not sorted out the issue of the two faiths during Mass.One has the theology of their being known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the other which omits this irrationality.One if based on a  false premise and the other is without it.One assumes hypothetical cases are objectively seen and known in 2016 the other avoids this subjectivism.
So if there is a Mass ad orientem or facing the people it is always with one of these two faiths.
I have one faith and every one else has another faith in the Catholic Church.
On the Vortex On Being Saved, Michael Voris said every one needs to enter the Church for salvation.In Heaven there are only Catholics.This is my faith.It is the old ecclesiology without the new premise, without there being known exceptions to EENS in 2016.
What if the SSPX affirms 'my faith' in the Catholic Church, can they get canonical status?
What if Una Voce says the common premise, in the Church, used to interpret Vatican Council II is wrong.Will they be written off by the Vatican?
This first Sunday in Advent there will be priests who will offer Holy Mass ad orientem, in Latin or the vernacular.Can they affirm the old ecclesiology which shows there are no known exceptions to EENS in 2016.Also neither is LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc practical exceptions to all needing faith and baptism; all needing to formally enter the Church ? Will they choose rationality?
If their ecclesiology is rational this Advent, it will be the same old ecclesiology of St. Robert Bellarmine.Yet unlike the new faith, it will be in agreement with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.They will be accepting the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949,like I do, and rejecting the irrational, non traditional and heretical second part.
Of course Cardinal Nicols and the liberal cardinals can continue to offer Holy Mass with 'the new faith', which is different from mine.But one of us has to be wrong.
If I am wrong then could Cardinal Sarah and someone else show me precisely where I am wrong?
Basically, what I am saying is that hypothetical cases cannot be explicit in 2016 and so there cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS in the present or the past.From here I return to the 'old faith'.From here, with an irrational reasoning, every one else in the Church, has a 'new faith'.The liberal theologians and Pope Benedict have called it a development.
There was a whole Church Council (1962-65) which has been interpreted by the secular media and the contemporary magisterium, as affirming the new faith.For me it is different.
All this will be difficult for many Catholics to understand unless they realize that the new faith emerged from the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at Vatican Council II were implementing the new faith.Until today even well meaning conservatives and traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II with the new faith. They are unaware of the rational choice.For many it is difficult to interpret Vatican Council II with the old faith, without the premise.They need to confuse invisible cases as being visible and think this is magisterial. Their mind has been conditioned to accept irrationality and falsehood for over 70- plus years.

The two faiths existing in the Church reminds me of a Vortex when Michael Voris asks Fr. Jonathan Morris to apologise for saying not every one needs to enter the Church for salvation.Whom did Fr.Jonathan know, Michael asked, who did not need to enter the Church?
Fr.Morris off course was affirming the new faith.He was sincere. It's EENS with exceptions. Vatican Council II with explicit exceptions to EENS.
If Fr.Morris would affirm EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church without hypothethical cases being explicit in 2016, without the new theology,he would be affirming the old faith, my faith.
-Lionel Andrades 

Tea with Rosie - Medugorje.

Tea With Rosie

July 2nd, 2016 
"Dear children, My real, living presence among you should make you happy because this is the great love of my Son. He is sending me among you so that, with a motherly love, I may grant you safety; that you may comprehend that pain and joy, suffering and love, make your soul live intensely; that I may call you anew to glorify the Heart of Jesus, the heart of faith, the Eucharist. From day to day through the centuries, my Son, alive, returns among you - He returns to you, though He has never left you. When one of you, my children, returns to Him, my motherly heart leaps with joy. Therefore, my children, return to the Eucharist, to my Son. The way to my Son is difficult, full of renunciations, but at the end, there is always the light. I understand your pains and sufferings, and with motherly love I wipe your tears. Trust in my Son, because He will do for you what you would not even know how to ask for. You, my children, you should be concerned only for your soul, because it is the only thing on earth that belongs to you. You will bring it, dirty or clean, before the Heavenly Father. Remember, faith in the love of my Son will always be rewarded. I implore you, in a special way, to pray for those whom my Son called to live according to Him and to love their flock. Thank you."

La Madonna di Anguera aveva profetizzato l'attentato a Nizza del 14 luglio 2016

La Madonna di Anguera aveva profetizzato l'attentato a Nizza del 14 luglio 2016

Pedro Regis ha ricevuto dalla Madonna questo messaggio...corredato da video impressionanti.

Gloria.TV News on the 15th of July 2016 : Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I being persecuted by the Left

Gloria.TV News on the 15th of July 2016

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Our Catholic faith has been compromised - Fr.Michael Rodriguez

There is a very big difference between the ancient Mass and the new Mass and it is not the language,Latin, it is not primarily the language..but what you truly have is a difference in theology and even doctrine...our Catholic faith has been compromised because of changes in the liturgy of the Mass...
There is a great difference which exists in the theology of the priesthood which you have in the ancient Mass and in the new Mass.- Fr.Michael Rodriguez

In this video Fr.Michael Rodriguez does not say that the compromised 'new faith' comes to us with the irrational premise used to interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam  nulla salus.If we avoid the premise, we are back to the old faith.The ecclesiology changes and the ecclesiology depends on the use or omission of that simple premise.It is the premise which creates a  new theology and new doctrines and conclusions.
Similarly in the following video Michael Voris asks what is the cause of this change. They know there is a change but they do not know the precise cause of the change.

Similarly on yesterday's CMTV Download on faith, the cause of this difference in faith, in the Catholic Church was not mentioned.

-Lionel Andrades

In faith we part

On Church Militant TV's 'The Download-The Theological Virtues-Faith' there is no reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) since perhaps Michael Voris and the CMTV team did not want to be considered 'schismatic' doctrinally.They refer to 'the theological virtue of faith'.Theologically,  EENS with no exceptions is the traditional faith, and EENS with exceptions is the contemporary faith.
The Vortex,On Being Saved was about faith without any reference to the new theology.So it was EENS without known exceptions.
On the Friday Download it says non Christians do not have supernatural faith and Catholics do have supernatural faith.
Why could CMTV not say that according to the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II, non Christians do not have faith?
Their approach on the On Being Saved video was good  but there was no reference to EENS or Vatican Council II(LG 14, AG 7).
The Arcchdiocese of Detroit and the Sacred Heart Seminary,Detroit interpret EENS according to the contemporary magisterium.So do the  liberals and heretics.
Doctrinally it is a break with the pre-Council of Trent magisterium.So as not to be considered schismatic by them CMTV does not mention EENS?
Heresy cannot be faith.
Catholic faith cannot be changed by the contemporary magisterium.
CMTV has a ding-dong, back and forward, prudent position on faith.
Since theologically faith has changed in the Catholic Church,we now have a new faith and those who do not accept it are doctrinally wrong, schismatic,not worthy of canonical status.
So Michael Voris compromises by accepting Vatican Council II with the new faith.
And at the same time he says all need to enter the Church for salvation.
So if he attends Mass ad orientem or facing the people, it still is with the new faith.
This Download presents the new faith, theologically, by so much of what it does not say.
So the SSPX is in doctrinal schism, for the CMTV, for not accepting the Sacred Heart Seminary's new faith, with EENS having known exceptions.
CMTV is not in doctrinal schism since it accepts EENS and Vatican Council II with the new faith; there are exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II.Both are O.K with magisterial heresy.
In which category does Bradley Eli at the Download, place me? I accept EENS with no exceptions and Vatican Council II does not have exceptions to EENS for me.Since in my faith, Lumen Gentium 16 is implicit, invisible  and not hypothetical. 
For Dr. Robert Fastiggi, professor of theology at the Sacred Heart seminary and for the Archbishop of Detroit, Lumen Gentium 16 is explicit and not hypothetical. This is their faith.
So doctrinally my faith and that of the theology professor is different.What does CMTV Download have to say about this. Dr.Fastiggi considers himself a Catholic and so do I. We both have faith but it is not the same faith.
-Lionel Andrades

So there is law at the Vatican.They are enforcing heresy and are supported by 'the faithful'

tumblr_o7cabxvH7u1vsyjupo1_1280From Hilary White's blog : Rule of law? Rule of ME
John Lamont:
What has happened is that the law is not enforced or obeyed by the supreme authorities in the Church. This situation did not begin with Pope Francis, as you point out, but it has gone further and faster with him than with previous popes.

It also means that  the teachings of the Church are not being  enforced or obeyed by the supreme authorities in the Church due to political or personal considerations. It is the same when the traditionalists also do not obey the teachings of the Church to protect their reputation or life style or to avoid offending the political Left.
The Traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II according to the contemporary magisterium and the Left.They say they accept it and the liberals say they reject it.But the reasoning, the new theology, is the same for all of them.
The traditionalists will not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the new theology and this is being enforced by the magisterium and the Left. This is the new law.
So there is law at the Vatican.They are enforcing heresy and are supported by 'the faithful'.
We cannot always judge the motivations of the Vatican Curia and ecclesiastics  just as we cannot judge the Traditional Latin Mass by those who attend them.The human factor is there in both cases. Emotions and personal interests are involved.
Hilary White(Blog: What's Up with Francis Church) and Ann Banhardt(Blog: Barnhardt) do not think vulgar language is a sin.The end justifies the means.There could be similar views in the Vatican too.
David Domet(Vox Cantoris) received a 'Catholic divorce' from a liberal Bishop and priest.He has an annulment. His first wife is alive. Domet  used the Protestant argument i.e the marriage was not valid in the first place. With this argument annulments are being mass produced. Sacramental marriage is not always valid is the new law being enforced.
Louie Verrecchio(AKA Catholic)  is married to a Jew who is outside the Church according to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. He is in adultery.But he justifies his position with a dispensation from a liberal Novos Ordo parish.Domet and Verrecchio are otherwise critical of the Novos Ordo Mass and Novus Ordo parishes.So this same factor could be operating with the Pope and the Vatican cardinals.

Even Catholic traditionalists like John Lamont. Joseph Shaw and Thomas Pink will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally, that is hypothetical cases not being explicit in 2016. Since there will be political and social repercussion which will affect their careers as professors
-Lionel Andrades

Even Catholic traditionalists like John Lamont. Joseph Shaw and Thomas Pink will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally, that is hypothetical cases not being explicit in 2016. Since there will be political and social repercussion which will affect their careers as professors

Encyclopedia Britannica
From the Enclopedia Brittanica : Christianity
During the 20th century most Christians adopted one of three main points of view. According to exclusivism, there is salvation only for Christians. This theology underlay much of the history outlined above, expressed both in the Roman Catholic dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (“outside the church no salvation”) and in the assumption of the 18th- and 19th-century Protestant missionary movements.
Lionel: John Hicks a liberal theologian who rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the exclusivist ecclesiology.He has written this report for the Encyclopedia Brittannica.
 The exclusivist outlook was eroded within advanced Roman Catholic thinking in the decades leading up to the Second Vatican Council and was finally abandoned in the council’s pronouncements.
Lionel: It was abandoned by Hicks and other liberal theologians. It was also abandoned by the contemporary magisterium.They did this by inferring that hypothetical cases were explicit in the present times and so these allegedly explicit cases, became exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is only in this way that Vatican Council II abandoned the exclusivist outlook.
For me hypothetical cases cannot be objectively seen in 2016. I cannot meet someone saved with the baptism of desire on the streets of Rome. Being saved in invincible ignorance and allegedly without the baptism of water, refers also to a hypothetical case.So for me LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refers to 'zero cases' in 2016. They are not 'practical exceptions' to the exclusivism of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is not so for Hick and the editors of this encyclopedia.There are explicit cases of being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) for example, for them.
So Vatican Council II for me is exclusivist. It is not so for Una Voce and the SSPX since they also assume that hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II are explicit in 2016. So they interpret the Council as a break with old pre-Council of Trent ecclesiology.
 Pope John Paul II’s outreach to the world’s religions may be seen as the practical application of the decisions of Vatican II. Within Protestant Christianity there is no comparable central authority, but most Protestant theologians, except within the extreme fundamentalist constituencies, have also moved away from the exclusivist position.
Lionel: The contemporary Catholic magisterium has been influenced by the political Left. It places restrictions on holding the exclusivist ecclesiology.Even Catholic traditionalists like John Lamont. Joseph Shaw and Thomas Pink will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally, that is hypothetical cases not being explicit in 2016. Since there will be political and social repercussion which will affect their careers as professors.The same pressure is being placed on the other Christian communities, by those from the Left working for a common one world religion, in which ecumenism has an important role.
Since the mid-20th century many Roman Catholics and Protestants have moved toward inclusivism—the view that, although salvation is by definition Christian, brought about by the atoning work of Christ, it is nevertheless available in principle to all human beings, whether Christian or not.
Lionel: This is a heretical position.Since the Catholic Church teaches that salvation is open to all but to receive this salvation all need to be members of the Catholic Church(Dominus Iesus 20).
 The Roman Catholic theologian Karl Rahner expressed the inclusivist view by saying that good and devout people of other faiths may, even without knowing it, be regarded as “anonymous Christians.”
Lionel: However we would not know of any Anonymous Christian saved in another religion and the dogma says outside the Church there is no salvation.
Karl Rahner, Joseph Ratzinger and Hans Kung accepted the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.It mistook the baptism of desire etc as not being hypothetical.It assumed the reference was to actually known,specific cases.So it was concluded that these hypothetical persons in Heaven, theoretical cases, were objective exceptions to  traditional exclusivism.This is irrational.It contradicts the Principle of Non Contradiction.It is upon this new theology, based  on an irrationality, that Rahner and Ratzinger taught that there is salvation outside the Church.So there is the known Anonymous Christian who is saved without having to enter the Church.
We can accept theoretically,as speculation, that a person can be saved in another religion through Jesus and the Church( as Cardinal Ratzinger expressed the Anonymous Christian theory) but reason tells us that this case is invisible for us and so irrelevant to traditional ecclesiology.. So it is not relevant or an exception to the exclusivism of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 Others have expressed in different ways the thought that non-Christians also are included within the universal scope of Christ’s salvific work and their religions fulfilled in Christianity.
Lionel: This was rejected by Pope John Paul II in Dominus Iesus and the Congregation for the Doctrne of the Faith's Notification on Fr Jacques Dupuis S.J (2001).
The third position, which appealed to a number of individual theologians, was pluralism. According to this view, the great world faiths, including Christianity, are valid spheres of a salvation that takes characteristically different forms within each—though consisting in each case in the transformation of human existence from self-centredness to a new orientation toward the Divine Reality. The other religions are not secondary contexts of Christian redemption but independent paths of salvation. The pluralist position is controversial in Christian theology, because it affects the ways in which the doctrines of the person of Christ, atonement, and the Trinity are formulated.
Lionel: It has been rejected in Dominus Iesus and the CDF Notification on Dupuis.
Christians engage in dialogue with the other major religions through the World Council of Churches’ organization on Dialogue with People of Living Faiths and Ideologies and through the Vatican’s Secretariat for Non-Christians, as well as through a variety of extra-ecclesiastical associations, such as the World Congress of Faiths. There is a National Council of Churches of Christ in the United States, and practically every state has its own similar state-level organization. A multitude of interreligious encounters have taken place throughout the world, many initiated by Christian and others by non-Christian individuals and groups.-
Lionel: Many of them are supported or financed by organisations which oppose the Catholic Church's traditional teachings on morals and faith.One of them is the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
-Lionel Andrades