Monday, April 4, 2016

Pope Benedict's Avvenire interview contradicts the SSPX General Chapter Statement on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II

During the pontificate of Pope Benedict when the SSPX was invited into the Church Bishop Bernard Fellay held a General Chapter Meeting 1 to discuss this issue.A statement was issued on Catholic doctrine. It said that the SSPX affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions.Now  however , Pope Benedict,  'broke his silence', as it as been reported, and said the dogma EENS does not exist any more as in the 16th century. It has been developed by Vatican Council II.

This is the official position also of Pope Francis and the Jesuits. For them Lumen Gentium 16,Vatican Council II, 2 refers to a visible and not invisible case and that too without the baptism of water. It is an example of salvation outside the Church. So the dogma EENS has been superseded with Vatican Council II for the magisterium.
It is important to note that the Vatican has  pinned their whole new theology on LG 16 etc being explicit and not invisible for us.

Now that we have identified their weakness, their scam,Catholics simply have to say that LG 16 refers to invisible and not visible cases. We cannot physically see or know any exceptions to EENS in 2016. This is common knowledge.
Once the ordinary lay Catholic asserts himself on this point the two popes will have to come in line with the SSPX General Chapter Statement.
The SSPX is presently divided. On their web page they have an article by Fr.Francois Laisney which infers there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS. So for him as expected, LG 16 would refer to visible and not invisible cases. Since LG 16 etc contradicts the dogma EENS he rejects Vatican Council II! 

Catholic laymen and women associated with the SSPX can come to the help of Tradition by announcing in some way, that LG 16 refers to invisible cases for us. The baptism of desire and blood, of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 can only be invisible for us.Being saved with the 'seeds of the Word' (AG 11) and 'many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.' (LG 8) also refer to what is hypothetical, invisible, theoretical, known only to God if they exist....

LG 8, AG 11 etc cannot be examples of known salvation outside the Church in the present times, since physically there is no known salvation outside the Church for us human beings.There cannot be known salvation outside the Church for us and if there are no known cases of salvation outside the Church how can there be exceptions to the dogma EENS? Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says the apologist John Martignoni.

Once this information is out it will be the liberals who will stop citing Vatican Council II. Since there will be no text in the Council to contradict EENS and the traditional ecclesiology on Judaism and Islam.The SSPX willl not have to reject Vatican Council II on this point and be considered 'schismatic'.This Vatican Council II would support the old ecclesiology, associated with the Traditional Latin Mass and which Pope Francis considers 'ideological'.
He presently only permits the Traditional Latin Mass when it is  offered by 'non ideological groups'.They are those who do not consider LG 16 as being invisible.

Making this information known would be the first important step to bring Rome back to the faith, as Archbishop Lefebvre wanted.Once important lay Catholics say LG 16 refers to invisible cases, some 70- plus years of theological sham, from long before Vatican Council II, will be exposed. It can then be corrected.Theology would once again be traditional.
-Lionel Andrades

This is why its seems to us opportune to reaffirm our faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the only Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation and no possibility of finding the means that lead to it...-SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II

In Italia, 195 missionari, adulti, giovani e famiglie con bambini, sono stati al servizio di quattro diocesi in Italia: Padova, Grosseto, Arezzo e Palermo

“Non lasciatevi rubare l’esperienza di Dio; proteggete la grazia di Dio nelle vostre vite”.
Sono le parole rivolte ai missionari di questa Settimana Santa da p. Eduardo Robles Gil, L.C., Direttore generale della Legione di Cristo e del Regnum Christi, che ha incontrato Gioventù e Famiglia Missionaria in Messico, dove ha presieduto la concelebrazione conclusiva.
Nell’omelia, ha incoraggiato i missionari dicendo loro: Non lasciatevi rubare l’esperienza di Dio per nessun motivo e da nessuno; proteggete la grazia di Dio nelle vostre vite. Dio è presente mentre siete in missione, ma non solo, Dio è presente tutti i giorni. Non accontentatevi di andare alle missioni: siate missionari tutti i giorni e custodite il ricordo di queste esperienze come un tesoro.
In Italia, 195 missionari, adulti, giovani e famiglie con bambini, sono stati al servizio di quattro diocesi in Italia: Padova, Grosseto, Arezzo e Palermo.
Dal Giovedì santo fino alla Domenica di Pasqua, i missionari sono stati nelle parrocchie di Busa di Vigonza, Padova; San Sepolcro, Arezzo; Roselle e Batignano, Grosseto; Vicari e Cefalà Diana, Palermo.
Hanno animato le celebrazioni liturgiche, visitato le famiglie della comunità e soprattutto le persone sole, gli anziani, i malati; hanno incoraggiato e rinnovato i catechisti e tutti i collaboratori parrocchiali, come è tra i loro obiettivi: non sostituirsi ma accompagnare.
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Missioni a San Sepolcro                    Missioni a Vicari e Cefalà Diana
I missionari sono stati accompagnati dai Legionari di Cristo e dalle Consacrate e i Laici consacrati del Regnum Christi, a cui va un ringraziamento corale da parte dei missionari per la disponibilità, il sostegno spirituale e anche l’aiuto concreto nell’organizzazione dei giochi con i bambini e dei momenti di formazione.
Le Missioni di Settimana Santa si svolgono ogni anno in 20 diversi Paesi nel mondo. Sono un bell’esempio della possibile collaborazione tra le diocesi e i movimenti cattolici e della generosità dei giovani e delle famiglie che mettono il loro tempo libero al servizio delle comunità parrocchiali, diventando missionari di misericordia e di speranza. La collaborazione prosegue spesso nel corso dell’anno e negli anni a venire, in base alle richieste e alle necessità delle singole parrocchie e nel rispetto degli obiettivi di Gioventù e Famiglia Missionaria che non vuole sostituirsi alle persone impegnate nelle comunità parrocchiali ma incoraggiarle e affiancarle per il tempo

What about the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate who were once considered 'crypto Lefebvrists' why is there no dialogue with them? : Francis-Fellay talks

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What about the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate who were once considered 'crypto Lefebvrists' why is there no dialogue with them?
The Franciscan Friars want to offer the Traditional Latin Mass, only like the SSPX. They also want to affirm the old ecclesiology, just like the SSPX.
Why is there no dialogue with these priests who are not allowed to offer the TLM and their canonical status is irregular ?.

Like the SSPX and Pope Francis they interpret Vatican Council II with the theology of Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. Like the SSPX they reject Vatican Council II interpreted with Cushingism and are unaware of the Feeneyite alternative.
Meanwhile Pope Francis accepts Vatican Council II interpreted with irrational Cushingism, which makes the  Council a break with Tradition, and in particular the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).No one has told him that there is a choice and that his irrational interpretation of the Council cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.
The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the SSPX say that they accept the dogma EENS like the 16 century missionaries, but in reality they reject the dogma theologically, by assuming that there is known salvation outside the Church.For them theologically, hypothetical cases are objective exceptions  to EENS.LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to not  invisible but visible cases.They are following the objective error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

The two popes reject the dogma EENS and say there is a development of doctrine with Vatican Council II.This is first class heresy based upon on irrational inference. The interpretation of Vatican Council II is based on the Rahner-Ratzinger new theology, which assumes there are known people in Heaven or on earth saved without the baptism of water.
The two popes like the SSPX and  the Franciscans of the Immaculate accept the new theology of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which indicates there are known cases of the baptism of desire etc which are objective exceptions to the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.It was Cardinal Richard Cushing who brought in an innovation but they criticize Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The error or mistaking hypothetical cases as being explicit was then placed in Vatican Council II (LG 14, LG 8 etc).There was an objective mistake made in the Letter of the Holy Office and based upon this mistake it was concluded in Vatican Council II( LG 14; LG 8), that there is known salvation outside the Church.
If the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immmaculate interpret Vatican Council II without this irrational premise, the Council will be in harmony with the 16 century interpretation of EENS. This would be objectionable to the two popes and the political Left which controls Catholic theology.

It would mean in Religion Class Catholic school children would affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite version).

It would also mean in Ecclesiology classes at the pontifical universities in Rome there would be no known exceptions to the old ecclesiology, the centuries old ecclesiology based on EENS.It would be saying all Jews and Muslims need to formally enter the Church with no exception, to avoid Hell. LG 14 ( those who know) refers to a hypothetical case.Also there being salvation outside the Church refers to a hypothetical case. So LG 14 and LG 8 are not exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS.
It would also mean all 'heretics and schismatics'(Council of Florence, Cantate Dominio,1441), all Christians, need to formally enter the Catholic Church with Catholic Faith( AG 7, LG 14) for salvation.
Simply by considering LG 16 as invisible and not visible (this is common sense) would cause a major change in the Catholic Church. It would be a return to the old ecclesiology, which is supported by the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate.This was the original ecclesiology associated with the Traditional Latin Mass and the Greek Byzantine Mass.
-Lionel Andrades

In the hierarchy of values of Pope John Paul II, we are dealing with first class heresy

Comments from the blog Musings of a Pertinacious Papist :  Benedict's Compendium, the CCC, and YouCat compared
On a hierarchy of values, where would you place your concern. Is this the HEART of the Gospel, the Catholic Faith or not? How much hangs on it, would you say?
On the hierarchy of values of Pope John Paul II, we are dealing with first class heresy.
Since in reality the Nicene Creed has been changed.Before the Council of Trent the Nicene Creed did not mean 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water. They are the baptism of desire ( without the baptism of water), being saved in invincible ignorance ( without the baptism of water etc'.
We are theologically rejecting John 3:5 and Mark 16:15 by suggesting not everyone in the present times needs to be a formal member of the Church with faith and the baptism of water.
Musings of a Pertinacious Papist
Theologically we are rejecting the Great Commission by suggesting that there is known salvation outside the Church.
This issue is central to the divide in the Catholic Church over Vatican Council II.It is at the centre of the SSPX-Vatican reconcliation.
It will be wrongly used by Cardinal Walter Kasper to suggest that doctrine and dogma has changed in the Catholic Church ( with the use of an irrational inference which he will not mention) and so the Church can change its other teachings e.g giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried.
Ths issue is at the centre of mission and evangelisation based on the knowledge of the majority of people going to Hell because of Original Sin and mortal sins committed in that state.
This issue decides if the Traditional Latin Mass( and the Novus Ordo Mass) is offered with the old ecclesiology or the new ecclesiology.The present new theology of the TLM is based upon an irrationality.
This issue decides if Vatican Council II is not an exception to the dogma EENS and so there is no change presently in post Vatican Council II ecumenism and inter religious dialogue based upon the text of Vatican Council II which can be interpreted with Feeneyism, instead of the present Cushingism.

-Lionel Andrades