Friday, April 1, 2016

I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) like the Church Councils and popes.I also affirm implicit for us baptism of desire.I am affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.

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Comments from the blogpost Pope Benedict's heretical interview to Avvenire prepares Catholics to receive a sacrilegeous Synod report after Easter
Blogger Remnant Clergy said...
Heretical Feeney ite.

April 1, 2016 

Lionel:
I do not know what is your concept of Feeneyism and heresy.
I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) like the Church Councils and popes.
I also affirm implicit for us baptism of desire. I accept the baptism of desire as being hypothetical and not objectively seen. This is common sense.It can only be theoretical for us, a possibility.So I am not denying the possibility of a person being saved with the baptism of desire. For me it will be followed with the baptism of water since this is the dogmatic teaching of EENS.
So I affirm the dogma EENS as it was defined by three Church Councils and I also accept being saved with the baptism of desire or blood, or in invincible ignorance.
I reject a physically visible for us baptism of desire or blood, or being saved in invincible ignorance.
Similarly I accept Vatican Council II. For me LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, AG 11 ( seeds of the Word)etc refer to hypothetical cases.They are not explicit for me.
I reject a Vatican Council II in which LG 16 etc are assumed to be visible and not invisible.
So I am affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
I interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism ( there are no known exceptions to EENS) and I reject the interpretation of magisterial documents with Cushingism ( there are known exceptions to EENS). 
So you cannot say that I am in heresy since I affirm EENS, the baptism of desire etc and Vatican Council II. I accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church interpreted with rational Feeneyism and reject an interpretation of the Catechism with irrational Cushingism.
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For me the contemporary magisterium is a break with the pre- Counci of Trent magisterium since they interpret magisterial documents with irrational Cushingism as a theology.The centuries old magisterium did not use Cushingism.

With Cushingism Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of discontinuity. With Feeneyism Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of discontinuity.

The present magisterium interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality, heresy and a break with Tradition. I am not obliged to follow when a rational, non heretical and Traditional alternative is available.
-Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-benedicts-heretical-interview-to.html

Feeneyism according to Wikipedia : with comments

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/feeneyism-according-to-wikipedia-with.html

At the 'New Traditional College' will the faculty interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism or Cushingism ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/at-new-traditional-college-will-faculty.html

The theology mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, is meaningless and does not apply.In a way they kind of duped all of us, including me

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/the-theology-mentioned-in-letter-of.html

Traditionalists are still interpreting Lumen Gentium 16 with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/traditionalists-are-still-interpreting.html

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Traditionalists like Reuters correspondents use Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II : Feeneyism cannot be part of the dialogue.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/traditionalists-like-reuters.html


No denial from traditionalists and Catholic journalists : contemporary TLM and Novus Ordo Mass is modernist, accompanied with a heretical theology (for them)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/no-denial-from-traditionalists-and.html

The baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance can be interpreted according to Feeneyism or Cushingism, one approach is irrational

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/the-baptism-of-desire-and-blood-and.html
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Joseph Shaw removes comment : maintains Cushingite image
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/joseph-shaw-removes-comment-maintains.html
Paul Kramer
Fr.Paul Kramer is not sure what is the difference between me and other Feeneyites
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/frpaul-kramer-is-not-sure-what-is.html

Michael Voris could show how Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism,with visible exceptions or without them, irrationally or rationally

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/michael-voris-could-show-how-vatican.html


CDF Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis S.j repeats the error of the 1949 Holy Office Letter : the mistake was placed in Vatican Council in so many passages
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/cdf-notification-on-dupuis-repeats.html

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SSPX priests are using Cushingism instead of Feeneyism as a theology this is a break with the Syllabus of Errors,traditional ecumenism and the old ecclesiology based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/sspx-priests-are-using-cushingism.html
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/louie-verrecchio-still-doesnt-get-it.html
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There is an objective mistake in Vatican Council II. Based on this error Pope Benedict said the dogma EENS has 'developed': avoid the error and we are back to the old ecclesiology with Vatican Council II

Today I walked.I walked passed the chapel of the Benedictine sisters, off via Aurelia, Rome.I was in the chapel for a short while. They have day long Eucharistic Adoration.An international community of English speaking sisters, they have their mother house in England.They are called the Tyburn Sisters.
I then walked passed a huge structure. This I think  is general house of a missionary community,the White Fathers. I think Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was associated with them.

MISSIONARIES
They were once a  missionary community who held the 16th century concept of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.Pope Benedict and Pope Francis reject this  dogma.Since may be someone told the popes,as they  did with the White Fathers, that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 contradicts the dogma.Then without really thinking they must have agreed.Without really reasoning they must have agreed that there is known salvation outside the Church, people in Heaven are seen on earth,visibly seen, as you would see physical objects.

MOTHER ANGELICA
So the White Fathers, like Mother Angelica the founder of EWTN who will be buried today, was told that the dogma has been contradicted by the Letter(1949) and Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc).They probably accepted this in obedience.Since the magisterium cannot be wrong after all. Again they were not really thinking.

CUSHING ADDITIONS
The same thing could have happened in Rome during Vatican Council II (1962-1965).Cardinal Cushing could have said, "Look. Fr.Leonard Feeney is still excommunicated. Pope Pius XII did not defend him. Cardinal Ottaviani did not defend him. Pope John XXIII and now Pius VI have not defended him.So they have accepted that there is known salvation outside the Church.This is now magisterial.
'So every one does not need to enter the Church but only those 'who know' . Not every one will go to Hell but only those who 'knew' and did not enter formally. The  popes understand that a person in invincible ignorance of the Gospel, through no fault of his own, could be saved outside the Church i.e without faith and baptism.
'So this is now magisterial. It is supported by the Letter of the Holy Office and the Baltimore Catechism. Let us place this new doctrine in Lumen Gentium (14).
'Since there is known salvation outside the Church let us make these additions here, which I have prepared along with the Jesuits. The additions can be made at UR 3, NA 2, LG 6,LG 16,LG 14, AG 7...."

OBJECTIVE MISTAKE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
Now in 2016 we know there is an factual mistake in Vatican Council II. There is an objective mistake in LG 14.There is no way out of this one.
They made the original objective error in the Letter(1949)  based on  irrational reasoning.Then they inserted the line in LG 14.It says only those who know need to enter the Church, even though we cannot know 'who knows or does not know and is saved.'Yet they placed it in the context of the dogma EENS, that is all needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation (AG 7, LG 14).

But the real mistake was in the Letter.LG 14 is only a carry over.

PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
In Boston and Rome in 1949 they reasoned that there is salvation outside the Church. For there to be salvation outside the Church it would have meant someone in the past or present, should have seen someone saved without the baptism of water in the Church.They went ahead and assumed there was someone.Even though this was physically impossible.The popes accepted it. The cardinals accepted it. Archbishop Lefebvre accepted. it.

After assuming there were physically visible cases of salvation outside the Church,they postulated that not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church.Then they went ahead and said that only those who are not in invincible ignorance of the Gospel and Jesus and the Church would be damned if they did not enter the Church. 

They placed this new doctrine based on the non- real reasoning, in Vatican Council II. The principle was hypothetical cases are explicit for us human beings and there are hypothetical-explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. Fr.Leonard Feeney move over.

HERESY IN PUBLIC
Now Pope Benedict finally says in public that there is a development of doctrine with Vatican Council II. The Jesuits had accepted this since 1949 and it was probably part of the religious formation of Pope Francis.It is the central reasoning in the Rahner -Ratzinger new theology.

The White Fathers of course  had to give up mission based on the dogma. Mother Angelica could also no more proclaim the necessity of formal membership in the Church, for salvation, since she was told the dogma has been contradicted with LG 16 being visible and not invisible.

So Cardinal Kasper has said in an interview that if ecclesiology can be changed then why not the teaching on giving the Eucharist to the divorced and the remarried.

RECTOR OF GREGORIAN UNIVERSITY
Possibly this will be a theology, presented by the Rector of the Gregorian Pontifical University, Rome, when the Exhortation on the Synod is announced. The Rector oversees a new department called 'The Department of the Theology of Religions'. How could there be a theology of religions which Pope John Paul II opposed. How? Since there is salvation outside the Church even though there are no known cases of salvation outside the Church. This was something Pope John Paul II overlooked.
There is now a mistake in Vatican Council II. 
I do not mention this so that Vatican Council II is rejected.

LG 14 IS HYPOTHETICAL, INVISIBLE
LG 14 can be seen as a hypothetical case. So it then does not become an exception to EENS as the 16th century missionaries and Fr.Leonard Feeney knew it.There is no development of doctrine based on Vatican Council II since EENS is not contradicted by LG 14, LG 16 etc.

JUDAISM, ISLAM
Ecclesiology has not changed if EENS has not changed. We are back to the old ecclesiology on other religions, Judaism, Islam etc.
Protestants and Orthodox Christians, 'heretics and schismatics' (Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

ASK POPES BENEDICT AND FRANCIS
1.Pope Benedict and Pope Francis can be asked if they personally know someone who is an exception to the dogma EENS in 2016. They will have to answer 'no'.
2.When asked if LG 16 and LG 14 refer to known cases in 2016, they will have to answer with a 'no'.
EDWARD PENTIN
May be Edward Pentin could say,"Holy Father you said in the interview with Avvenire that there is a development, an evolution of the dogma EENS with Vatican Council II. Are you referring to LG 16 being explicit or implicit, visible or invisible, objective or hypothetical."
...and with Pope Benedict's answer the Catholic Church will return to the old ecclesiology.
He then can ask Pope Francis, " Can the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate offer the Traditional Latin Mass and affirm that LG 16 refers to invisible and not visible cases.Can the FSSP also do the same?
...and with Pope Francis' answer even Catholic priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass will have to return to the old ecclesiology, the Feeneyite ecclesiology, since this is the only rational alternative available.
-Lionel Andrades

Pope Benedict's recent interview with Avvenire on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II was a preparation for the Exhortation on the Synod to be announced this month

There will be a post Synod Exhortation in which the two popes will approve giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried as being an acceptable norm.
They will justify this innovation by citing a change in ecclesiology.For the two popes the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been discarded.This was done by assuming hypothetical cases are visible in the present times. So the two popes accepted that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance,mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, refers to not hypothetical cases but objectively seen persons in the present times, and so they are exceptions to the interpretation of the dogma EENS according to the 16th century missionaries.So there is a new theology, based on being able to see theoretical cases in the present times. More important, there is a change in ecclesiology now, a dogma has developed.Since LG 16 refers not to invisible but visible cases, Vatican Council II has changed the teaching on EENS. So it will be reasoned by Cardinal Kasper, with the support of the popes,that if ecclesiology can be changed then why not the teaching on giving the Eucharist to Catholics living in mortal sin ?
The traditionalists will be unprepared. Especially those traditionalists who have had their religious formation in some way with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. They use the same irrational inference to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS, as the two popes.
Pope Benedict's recent interview with Avvenire on extra ecclesiam nulla salus  and Vatican Council II was a preparation for the Exhortation on the Synod to be announced this month.Traditionalists instead of criticising it , except for Chris Ferrara, have welcomed it and praised it.-Lionel Andrades 
 
 
Pope Benedict, Cardinal Kasper's false arguments for Synod Report : Vatican Council II agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nullas salus as it was interpreted by the 16th century missionaries
 
Pope Benedict's heretical interview to Avvenire prepares Catholics to receive a sacrilegeous Synod report after Easter
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-benedicts-heretical-interview-to.html




 
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality as do the traditionalists: the result is heresy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-francis-interprets-vatican-council.html
Pope Francis, Ethika Politika and the traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with an irrational inference
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-francis-ethika-politika-and.html




Related imagePope Benedict must be asked to come back to the faith

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/pope-benedict-must-be-asked-to-come.html

Card. Ratzinger interpreted Vatican Council II with an irrationality when a rational option was available .He then excommunicated Abp. Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops for not accepting this heretical version of the faith
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/card-ratzinger-interpreted-vatican.html

 
The excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre by the CDF Prefect, like that of Fr.Leonard Feeney by the Holy Office (CDF) in 1949, was an injustice.There was no known salvation outside the Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-excommunication-of-archbishop.html





You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html