Thursday, February 18, 2016

The Vatican Curia and Newman Theological College,Canada have to use an irrationality to interpret magisterial documents as a break with EENS

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Newman Theological College, Canada and the Vatican Curia use an irrationality in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and this cannot be magisterial.It cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?
How can the Holy Spirit suggest that there are  hypothetical cases which are objectively visible? And then how can the Holy Spirit infer that these visible cases in Heaven are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
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Yet this is how the Newman Theological College(NTC) and the Vatican Curia interpret LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc.
Being saved in  'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3) refers to an objective case, objectively seen in the present times for them.So it is an exception to the old exclusivist ecclesiology, which they reject.This is how Wikipedia interprets LG 16 ( See Fr.Leonard Feeney/extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
This interpretation cannot be magisterial.
It is a human innovation which has come into the Catholic Church through the Baltimore Catechism.The American bishops approved it.They also approved the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The Letter to the Archbishop of Boston  1949 was made public by the Archdiocese some three years after it was privately dispatched to the Archbishop,Richard Cushing.
Being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire had nothing to do with the dogma EENS or the baptism of water.Yet they are made relevant in the 1949 Letter from the magisterium in Rome.This error was then inserted into Vatican Council II.
Why did Vatican Council II have to refer to being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire?
 Now NTC and the Vatican Curia assume being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire 1) are explicit, objectively seen in the flesh and 2) they are objective exceptions, to all needing to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
This is objectively false, it is fantasy theology, it is based on an irrationality.
It cannot also be magisterial since it contradicts the centuries old magisterium on outside the Church there is no salvation (EENS).
NTC and the Vatican Curia consider it magisterial when they have used a false premise( people in Heaven are physically visible without the baptism of water)  and inference ( these visible cases are objective exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church for salvation) to produce a non traditional conclusion( Vatican Council II contradicts Tradition ).


FOR ME
I assume hypothetical cases are hypothetical and not objective.So they are not relevant to the old ecclesiology as exceptions. I accept Vatican Council II with no exceptions to EENS.
 Since there are no exceptions to EENS there is no change in the traditional ecclesiology of the Church.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church supported by the Holy Spirit.It is magisterial.
So I am affirming the official teachings of the Church according to the magisterium, according to magisterial texts and documents (Vatican Council II,Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,845,846, Council of Trent, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence etc) .

The Vatican Curia and NTC are a break with the traditional magisterium, they are also irrational and have based their theology on a lie ( there are visible persons in Heaven without the baptism of water).
They are not magisterial since they can only affirm the official teachings of the Church according to magisterial texts and documents, interpretated with an irrational premise and inference (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,845,846, Council of Trent, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence etc).They have to use an irrationality to interpret these magisterial documents as a break with EENS.This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot teach a lie or make an objective error.
-Lionel Andrades

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Catholic Theological College in Canada also uses irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism as a theology to interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/catholic-theological-college-in-canada.html


Pakistani Catholic seminary uses irrational theology to interpret Vatican Council II  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/pakistani-catholic-seminary-uses.html


Catholic Theological College in Canada also uses irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism as a theology to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/catholic-theological-college-in-canada.html



Ave Maria University like the sedevacantist seminary in Florida uses irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/ave-maria-university-like-sedevacantist.html




Florida seminaries and universities unaware: Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the theology of Feeneyism or Cushingism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/florida-seminaries-and-universities.html

There is an objective mistake in Vatican Council II.It is responsible for 'the Vatican moment' which Rorate Caeili mentions

Rorate Caeili refers  to an unusual Novus Ordo Mass as 'the Vatican moment', when there is nothing in Vatican Council II which says the Mass should be offered in this way.
Those who have politicised Vatican Council II and use it as a slogan for change  could attribute this Mass to Vatican Council II.
But Vatican Council II was a symbol of change for the Catholic Church since it was possible for an objective error in the 1949's to be inserted into the text of the Council
This was 'the Vatican Council II moment'.The 'spirit of Vatican Council II ' draws upon this factual error , which is unknown still, to most people.
 
IMPRIMATUR FOR VATICAN COUNCIL II
May  be a cardinal or bishop would not give Vatican Council II an imprimatur.
1. Since there is a factual error in Lumen Gentium 14.
2.Since the factual error was made in the 1949 Letter to the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston with an irrational inference, the Council is 'full of' hypothetical passages which the Vatican Curia interprets as being explicit, objectively seen.
Here is the error in the Letter of the Holy Office.

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
 
The error was repeated in Vatican Council II.

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14
 
Let me explain.
Since being saved in invincible ignorance was considered explicit, it was inferred that these, allegedly objective cases, were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So it was concluded every one needed to formally enter the Church ( with faith and baptism) except for those who are saved in invincible ignorance etc.
So Lumen Gentium 14 clarified that those who know about the Church, 'whosoever, therefore, knowing ', had an obligation to enter the Church and to remain in it to avoid Hell.
Those who were ignorant, it was inferred (like the natives in North America before the missionaries went there) did not have an obligation to enter the Church. They would be saved in invincible ignorance.
So this is a new theology based on an objective error, that of being able to see or know people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and in invincible ignorance etc.
On this point a cardinal could object to giving the imprimatur to Vatican Council II.
 
I think the imprimatur can still be given, in spite of the mistake, since LG 14 refers to hypothetical cases.Finally, hypothetical cases are no exceptions to EENS ( with or without the baptism of water).
However there is a clear mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office and Vatican Council II which originated from the Baltimore Catechism.In all this we can see America emerging as a superpower and the American Church influencing the Catholic Church, in a negative way. The aim seemed to be,eliminate the dogma EENS.
Cardinal Cushing was known in public, to have meetings(dinner/lunch) with members of the Freemasons in Boston, the B'nai B'rith etc.
At Boston in 1949 they could draw on the Baltimore Catechism as a reference.Since this American catechism placed being saved with 'the desire of' in the baptism of water section and calling it a baptism.Why?The baptism of water is visible and repeatable but the baptism of desire (BOD) is not.In faith we know those who have received the baptism of water are on the way to Heaven, we cannot say this of the BOD since we do not know of any BOD case.

EXCOMMUNICATION NOT LIFTED
So the conservatives at Vatican Council II were at a disadvantage. Since the excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney was still not lifted and neither any pope from Pius XII to Paul VI supported Fr.Leonard Feeney.Nor did they oppose Cardinal Cushing saying he was irrational, non traditional and in heresy. Cardinal Cushing had the support of the Jewish Left in Boston and the new state of Israel which supports the Freemasons,Zionists, communists and the rest of the Left, the one world religion people.-Lionel Andrades


http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-vatican-ii-moment-priest-incenses.html