Thursday, January 7, 2016

The roots of the new ecumenism are still unknown to Don Pietro Leone and Rorate Caeili

 Furthermore, the Church teaches that only the Catholic Faith (along with Baptism) unites us to this God, and that therefore the Catholic Faith is also the only religion, since ‘religion’ means nothing other than that spiritual system which binds us (ligat in Latin) to God.-  ECUMENISM- By Don Pietro Leone  Rorate Caeili
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/01/ecumenism-essay-on-ecumenism-by-don.html

Lionel :

' the Church teaches that only the Catholic Faith (along with Baptism) unites us to this God, and that therefore the Catholic Faith is also the only religion,...'

The Society of St. Pius X, Rorate Caeili and correspondents and Pope Francis have accepted that : 
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

This is the basis of the new theology, the new ecumenism.

This is the only type of union that the Catholic Church has the mandate to establish with others, since only this type of union can effect their spiritual good in the ultimate sense of the word, that is to say their salvation. The union sought by Ecumenism, on the other hand, is simply a partial union, inasmuch as one or more of these three elements are missing. For this reason it does not have the power to redeem.-Don Pietro Leone

Lionel:
This is the only type of union that the Catholic Church has the mandate to establish with others, since only this type of union can effect their spiritual good in the ultimate sense of the word, that is to say their salvation...

But Don Leone has accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which infers there is another type of a union which is that of a person saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So there is an exception to the the ordinary way.There is salvation outside the Church according the traditionalists.So here we have the seeds of the new ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.

The spiritual union sought by Ecumenism is not redeeming, then. But typically it is not supernatural either, as Ecumenism typically reduces Catholicism to the Faith (understood simply as an assortment of different beliefs) and, in so doing, ignores the sacraments, which are the necessary means for uniting us to God here on earth and in Heaven.

Lionel:

and, in so doing, ignores the sacraments, which are the necessary means for uniting us to God here on earth and in Heaven.

' it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member', so not every one needs the sacraments for salvation. There are exceptions.,


What is remarkable about ecumenical union is that it prescinds from objective Truth. This however is irrational, for in order to enter into relations with other Christian confessions or other Religions in a rational, realistic way, we must clearly take into consideration the whole Truth and not just a part of it: not only common beliefs and ideals but also doctrinal differences

Lionel:
There is no more objective Truth. Since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted for centuries has been changed. It was always held that there are no exceptions to the dogma( Feeneyism) and now it is being taught that there are known exceptions to the dogma (Cushingism).
It is said the baptism of desire is an exception when there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in the present times or past times.We cannot physically see or know any such case.
Then it is said that the saints mention the baptism of desire and so it is an exception to the dogma EENS when there is not a single saint who says that the baptism of desire is explicit and so is an exception to the dogma. Invisible for us baptism of desire is not relevant or an exception to the dogma.
So where is the proof for Cushingism which has  got rid of the dogma EENS and created a new theology which is the basis of the new ecumenism? 
There is so much of irrelevant theology mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. It is all irrelevant and non applicable since there are no known cases of the baptism of desire.So the baptism of desire can never be an exception to the dogma EENS and the old ecclesiology.


This sentimentality made its first official appearance in the Church in the texts of the Second Vatican Council, in their soft and conciliatory language and attitudes towards other religions and above all towards the contemporary world, and in a new ethical doctrine, that the primary end of marriage is ‘love’. 

Lionel:
The error was blatant in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it was supported by the Magisterium in Rome. Why was the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance mentioned in Vatican Council II ? They are irrelevant to the orthodox passages in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 which support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
We can still interpret the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance as referring to possibilities, theoretical cases known only to God. So they re not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. They are also not exception to the Feeneyite version of the dogma, the traditional interpretation of St. Robert Bellarmine and the Church Councils ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).

 8)  He who denies the whole Faith, or the nucleus of the Faith, falls into apostasy.
Lionel:
Agreed. The Letter issued by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani, accepted by the Church, liberals and traditionalists, is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
-Lionel Andrades


Exorcist Bob Larson confronts a demon of abortion called Murder.

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : from meaningless non applicable theology to heresy

THE DOGMA : EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

MEANINGLESS, NON APPLICABLE THEOLOGY
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

THEOLOGY OF NON EXISTENT, UNKNOWN CASES
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

THE RESULT : HERESY
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949
-Lionel Andrades

So the new theology since the time of Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis on salvation is irrational and heretical.

Traditionalists need to admit that the dogma EENS can be interpreted with Feeneyism and not with irrational Cushingism ( there are known exceptions) as is being done by Pope Francis and sadly, also the traditionalists.

The theological basis for this syncretism was there in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when the baptism of desire and blood etc were considered 1)explicit and 2)without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. Then this was inferred to be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Based on this irrational exception we have the new theology.
The following report has been sent to Salza and Siscoe and I do not expect them to comment on the two points.

  • If Salza-Siscoe admit something obvious like the baptism of desire case is not visible in 2016 then it would mean Abp.Lefebvre and Bp.Fellay made a factual error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/if-salza-siscoe-admit-something-obvious.html

Bishop Fellay and the SSPX too will not answer them.

You Vox, have commented upon it. It is common sense. You have said every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions, in the present times.There cannot be any known exception for us human beings.
There is no known salvation outside the Catholic Church, there cannot be any known salvation. So the new theology since the time of Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis on salvation is irrational and heretical.
It is time for the traditionalists to point out that Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) supports the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
Also, they need to admit that the dogma EENS can be interpreted with Feeneyism and not with irrational Cushingism ( there are known exceptions) as is being done by Pope Francis and sadly, also the traditionalists.
-Lionel Andrades


http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2016/01/jorge-bergoglio-video-star-popes-pure.html




Invisible cases in the present times cannot be visible exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, all needing to have his 'name on the Parish Baptism Register' for salvation

Lionel, where does the Magisterium make a distinction between "explicit" cases and non-explicit cases when it teaches that God can infuse the virtues outside of water baptism?



Lionel: 
When the Magisterium  suggests that God can infuse the virtues outside of water baptism we can accept this as a possibility known only to God, if there is such a case,  and leave it at that.
The moment this is brought in relation with EENS the problem begins.
Since someone infused with the virtues outside of the baptism of water refers to an invisible case for us.Invisible cases in the present times cannot be visible exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, all needing to have his 'name on the Parish Baptism Register' for salvation.
So if the link is made with EENS people are confused. Since it could be suggested that these cases are visible to us , they are personally known and so they are exceptions to EENS, they are allegedly examples of known salvation outside the Church. In other words there is salvation outside the Church.
This would be faulty reasoning.
-Lionel Andrades

Video 8 minutes in Hell. (creepy)




Demon talking out of teenage girl








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A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.
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The entrance it seems to me was similar to a very long and narrow alleyway, like an oven, low and dark and confined; the floor seemed to me to consist of dirty, muddy water emitting foul stench and swarming with putrid vermin...The bodily pains were so unbearable that though I had suffered excruciating ones in this life and according to what doctors say, the worst that can be suffered on earth for all my nerves were shrunken when I was paralyzed, plus many other sufferings of many kinds that I endured and even some as I said, caused by the devil, these were all nothing in comparison with the ones I experienced there...-St.Teresa of Avila's description of Hell.
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These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. https://youtu.e/_La-_wEJ4Fk
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.
I would have diedThere are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.
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"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."

Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:

"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.-Sr.Joseph Menendez's description of Hell.
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There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man' s table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham' s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father' s house, for I have five brethren, That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. -Luke :19-31, The Rich Man (Dives) and Lazarus.
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Second Circle (Lust)


Gianciotto Discovers Paolo and Francesca
In the second circle of Hell are those overcome by lust. Dante condemns these "carnal malefactors"[ for letting their appetites sway their reason. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown back and forth by the terrible winds of a violent storm, without rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly.
In this circle, Dante sees
Semiramis, Dido, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris, Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told byFrancesca da Rimini how she and her husband's brother Paolo Malatesta committed adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband, Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story of Lancelot and Guinevere (an episode sculpted by Auguste Rodin in The Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for his fratricidein Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
Alse see Dante's experience in Hell in The Divine Comedy( Inferno).
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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/didnt-jesus-teach-about-hell.html

FIFTH EXERCISE

IT IS A MEDITATION ON HELL

It contains in it, after the Preparatory Prayer and two Preludes, five Points and one Colloquy:
Prayer. Let the Preparatory Prayer be the usual one.
First Prelude. The first Prelude is the composition, which is here to see with the sight of the imagination the length, breadth and depth of Hell.
Second Prelude. The second, to ask for what I want: it will be here to ask for interior sense of the pain which the damned suffer, in order that, if, through my faults, I should forget the love of the Eternal Lord, at least the fear of the pains may help me not to come into sin.
First Point. The first Point will be to see with the sight of the imagination the great fires, and the souls as in bodies of fire.
Second Point. The second, to hear with the ears wailings, howlings, cries, blasphemies against Christ our Lord and against all His Saints.
Third Point. The third, to smell with the smell smoke, sulphur, dregs and putrid things.
Fourth Point. The fourth, to taste with the taste bitter things, like tears, sadness and the worm of conscience.
Fifth Point. The fifth, to touch with the touch; that is to say, how the fires touch and burn the souls.
Colloquy. Making a Colloquy to Christ our Lord, I will bring to memory the souls that are in Hell, some because they did not believe the Coming, others because, believing, they did not act according to His Commandments; making three divisions...
- The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola, [1914]http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/seil/seil15.htm
People that died and saw hell. Video Testimonies of Hell


Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life