Tuesday, December 20, 2016

Instead the four cardinals should point out to the two popes that there is no visible case of the baptism of desire.So there is no change in salvation theology : no precedent for Amoris Laetitia

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Cardinal Raymond Burke is to formally correct the pope.1
So what ? Pope Francis could say that 'just as ecclesiology has changed, the old ecclesiology has been replaced, with Vatican Council II and you and the other cardinals and traditionalists have accepted it, so now like the change in salvation theology, we are changing the moral theology of the Catholic Church'.
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In fact Cardinal Kasper has already said this.
Cardinal Walter Kaspar has said in an interview that if the Church could change its teachings on ecclesiology then why cannot it do so also on giving the Eucharist to married and divorced Catholics.
He means that the whole Church, traditionalists included, have accepted the Marchetti Error, which gave birth to the new theology.It is part of magisterial documents and is mentioned in Vatican Council II.
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Feeneyism which was magisterial according to the pre-1949 Church was replaced with Cushingism ( there are known exceptions to the dogma).This is the liberal theology  which is irrational, non traditional and accepted by the contemporary Magisterium, including the two popes and Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Pope Francis has already alluded, in a response to a question on the dubbia, that the change has come from Vatican Council II.He is referring to the spirit or a theology of Vatican Council II.
None of the cardinals have responded to Pope Francis with reference to  this point. Since they all interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.They use an irrational premise to create a non traditional conclusion. So their conclusion too is that Vatican Council II is a break with the old ecclesiology. It is rupture with Tradition.
So they would have to agree with Pope Francis and Cardinal Kasper that Vatican Council II, with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical, is a break with the old ecclesiology.
They would have to admit that ecclesiology has been changed, with Lumen Gentium 16 referring to visible and not invisible cases.
Since they permit the two popes to change ecclesiology, with the new theology based on visible cases of the baptism of desire, the two popes and Cardinal Kasper are asking them to change moral theology too.They want a change in moral theology with Amoris Laetitia, just like salvation theology in the Church has been discarded and there is no opposition from the traditionalists.So from Pope Francis' perspective what's so special about the dubbia of the four cardinals when in principle they have accepted a change in salvation theology and ecclesiology. The Church is now Christological. It no more has an exclusivist ecclesiology like at the time of the 16th century missionaries.
1. Instead the four cardinals should point out to the two popes that there is no visible case of the baptism of desire. So there can be no exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So the Holy Office 1949 and the Archdiocese of Boston made an objective mistake.
2. There are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there is no change in the old ecclesiology with Vatican Council II.
There is no change in salvation theology in the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II unless one is using an irrational premise.
3.Vatican Council II is traditional on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so the Council should not be cited as a precedent to make changes in moral theology in the Church through Amoris Laetitia.Vatican Council II does not contradict the Catechism of Pope Pius X or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
-Lionel Andrades

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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full-text-cardinal-burke-discusses-formal-correction-of-pope-how-to-respond

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 OCTOBER 26, 2015


Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-walter-kasper-said-in.html


NOVEMBER 12, 2014


The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/the-ecclesiology-of-pope-francis-and.html



JUNE 16, 2013


Cardinal Walter Kaspar has drawn upon the Richard Cushing Confusion

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/cardinal-walter-kaspar-has-drawn-upon.html

JUNE 6, 2013


THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN VATICAN COUNCIL II ONLY WITH THE FALSE PREMISE: THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL OTHERWISE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/there-is-ambiguity-in-vatican-council.html


 JUNE 4, 2013


Kaspar desperatehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/kaspar-desperate.html

APRIL 19, 2013


Full of deception

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/full-of-deception.html

APRIL 21, 2013


SSPX (USA) falls for the Cardinal Kaspar canard

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/sspx-usa-falls-for-cardinal-kaspar.html

MAY 9, 2013


Robert Sungenis violates Aristotles Principle of Non Contradictionhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/robert-sungenis-violates-aristotles.html








Cardinal Ratzinger, Fr.John Hardon and Robert Hickson were interpreting the Catechism and Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism as a theology
http://eucharistandmission.blo...



You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html

MAY 27, 2015


Jesuit theologians were present at the Synod preliminary meeting : ominoushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/jesuit-theologians-were-present-at.html



JUNE 11, 2016


Apologists Mons. Clifford Fenton, Fr.William Most and Fr. John Hardon considered implicit cases as being explicit: traditionalists agree any one who does this is wrong http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/apologists-mons-clifford-fenton.html




MAY 18, 2016


If Bishop Fellay interprets Vatican Council II with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism he will be considered anti-Semitic.Instead he is willing to reach an agreement with Rome in which Vatican Council II will continue to be interpreted with an irrational premise to produce a non traditional conclusion.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/if-bishop-fellay-interprets-vatican.html


MARCH 22, 2016


Archbishop Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II with the new theology of Rahner-Ratzinger.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/archbishop-lefebvre-interpreted-vatican.html


 JANUARY 6, 2016


If Salza-Siscoe admit something obvious like the baptism of desire case is not visible in 2016 then it would mean Abp.Lefebvre and Bp.Fellay made a factual error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/if-salza-siscoe-admit-something-obvious.html

 SEPTEMBER 11, 2014

April 23-Sept.11,2014 - still no clarification from the SSPXhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/april-23-sept112014-still-no.html


AUGUST 22, 2014

How is Bishop Fellay going to announce that Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/how-is-bishop-fellay-going-to-announce.html
JUNE 13, 2014
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Bernard Fellay have used the irrational column
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-and-bishop.html
Cardinal Ratzinger, Fr.John Hardon and Robert Hickson were interpreting the Catechism and Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism as a theology
http://eucharistandmission.blo...

You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
MAY 27, 2015
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/jesuit-theologians-were-present-at.html

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