Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text ?

I mentioned in a previous comment that Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition in itself.
It is only a break with Tradition if:-
1.It is assumed that hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objectively visible in 2016.
2.It is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy and not Cardinal Cushng the Archbishop of Boston.
3.It is assumed that Cushingism is the acceptable new theology which replaces Feeneyism.
Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text quoted below?

ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DO NOIA : ASSUMES WHAT IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD CAN BE KNOWN AND JUDGED BY US HUMAN BEINGS.

I don’t know if you can blame this on the Council so much as the emergence of a theological trend that emphasized the possibility of salvation of non-Christians. But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it. …The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted. I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.' - Archbishop Augustine di Noia ( 07/01/2012 ), Archbishop Di Noia, Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St. Pius X, National Catholic Register.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dinoia-ecclesia-dei-and-the-society-of-st.-pius-x/#ixzz3Q1Vx3byR

 

 ANALYSE HIS NON ORTHODOX STATEMENT 

But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it.

Lionel:

Here he iinfers  that there is known salvation outside the Church. He infers that Vatican Council II says there is known salvation outside the Church.He means the baptism of desire refers to the possibility of salvation outside the Church and so also being saved in invincible ignorance. However this possibility is a personally known case for him. Someone objectively visible.Otherwise why would he mention it with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which says all need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members?

Known salvation is the key. If there is known salvation outside the Church then the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries has been changed.There is an exception even when the dogma suggests there is no exception(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441). 

The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted.

Lionel:

He infers here that Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and grace' , refer to known cases, objectively visible cases and so it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Can we know of someone saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth' in 2016 or over the last 20 years, or in the past?

 I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.'

Lionel:

Here he actually says that he can judge them! He can know of people who will go to Heaven who are not members of the Catholic Church.He suggests that he knows of Anglicans and Lutherans who will not die with mortal sin on their soul in the future. So not only can Jesus judge them but he too can judge individual cases!

1.It is assumed that hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objectively visible in 2016.For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 refers to a visible case.It is not just a hypothethetical case.
2.It is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy and not Cardinal Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston.

Archbishop Di Noia assumes Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy for affirming EENS in which hypothetical cases were NOT exceptions to the dogma.
3.It is assumed that Cushingism is the acceptable new theology which replaces Feeneyism.

The members of the CDF/Ecclesia Dei are Cushingites. They assumes imaginary cases are not imaginary in the present times. They infer hypothetical cases are not hypothetical.So with this irrational premise they then conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition.

They know there is a choice.They know that if they accept EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney then pastorially Vatican Council Ii would be reconciled with EENS and Tradition.
Do you see the mistake made by Archbishop Augustine di Noia in the text quoted above?-Lionel Andrades

 

https://gloria.tv/video/aKZLQrSpm8Gb3mW47P6Cs1nT7/postings/