No denial from the SSPX: dogmas and doctrine changed

There has been no denial of my report last week titled 'SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine' posted on this blog, Gloria TV and other media in English and Italian.
Nor was there any criticism of my doctrinal and theological position when I affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite), Vatican Council II( Feeneyite), Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite) and the Nicene Creed ( Cushingite).Theologically for me there are no exceptions to the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.

The SSPX instead affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite), Vatican Council II( Cushingite),Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite)and the Nicene Creed ( Cushingite).For the SSPX there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)and so there are exceptions to the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King.

I explained my pro-Vatican Council II Catholic beliefs and defined my terms.Here they are again with the SSPX position.The SSPX doctrinal position is firstly irrational. The irrationality creates a false and non traditional conclusion. The result is heresy.

TERMS EXPLAINED

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no  known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

(SSPX rejects Feeneyism according to their official website in English)

Cushingism:  It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes  there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

(SSPX supports Cushingism according to their official website in English and reports of SSPX bishops and priests)

Baptism of  Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.

(SSPX rejects Baptism of  Desire (Feeneyite) according to their official website in English and reports of SSPX bishops and priests).

Baptism of  Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.

(SSPX supports Baptism of  Desire (Cushingite) according to their official website in English and reports of SSPX bishops and priests).

Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.

(SSPX rejects Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite) according to their official website in English and reports of SSPX bishops and priests).

Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.

(SSPX supports Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite) according to their official website in English and reports of SSPX bishops and priests).

Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.

Liberal theologians:They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.

(SSPX supports the Liberal theologians on the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible Ignorance as being objective cases).

Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.

(SSPX interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism)

Vatican Council II (Feeneyite):It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and  the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).

(SSPX does not  interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism)

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Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.

(This is accepted by the SSPX with the error. Archbishop Lefebvre did not notice the error in the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.)

Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.

(The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion)
Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.

(The Catechism of Pope Pius X is accepted with the same error.The imaginary case of the unknown catechumen should not have been placed in the Baptism Section. It contributed to the confusion).

Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.

(The SSPX interprets the Nicene Creed with the Cushingite error.It assumes hypothetical cases are known in the present times.) 

Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.

(The SSPX does not interpret the Nicene Creed with traditional Feeneyism.)
 

New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.

(The SSPX uses the New Theology as did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre) 

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.

(The SSPX's interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus is Cushingite. There are known exceptions to the dogma for them. This is expressed on the official website in English and the writings of SSPX priests).

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It  refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.

(The SSPX 2012 General Chapter Statement affirmed extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite) but their official website in English and SSPX priests reject it.They are Cushingites).

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite).CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).

(The SSPX is critical of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Their interpretation is Cushingite) 

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite).CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.

When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.

(The SSPX does not seem aware of the Feeneyite interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

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AUGUST 15, 2016

SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/sspx-has-changed-dogmas-and-doctrine.html

There is the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite) as interpretated by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/there-is-catechism-of-catholic-church.html

from Gloria TV

Lionel L. Andrades

SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine

The young SSPX priest who offered the Latin Mass at the St. Catherine of Siena chapel in central Rome,today morning said in his homily that the Catholic Church has the full deposit of the Truth.I agree with him but there are such major differences in our understanding of Catholic Truth.

The SSPX Italy's position on Vatican Council II is vague and confusing.There are big gaps.Things they cannot explain.Their ecclesiology has the new theology of the Novus Ordo Mass.It isheretical but the Vatican will not admite it since it is approved by the Left.

Archbishop Lefebvre made the original mistake.He overlooked the error in the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office.No one from the Magisterium helped him.

For the SSPX Italy the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to real and not imaginary cases.Since they are exceptions toFeeneyite EENS.This is the official position of the SSPX.It is there on their English website.

They are unaware of Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite).

For them it is has always been Vatican Council II( Cushingite) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite).

They proclaim a Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite) but really refer to a Nicene Creed ( Cushingite).

So in reality the SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine.

-Lionel Andrades

TERMS DEFINED

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

Baptism of Desire. It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.

Invincible Ignorance. This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.

Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.

Liberal theologians.They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.

Vatican Council II(Cushingite). It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.

Vatican Council II (Feeneyite).It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.

Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.

Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.

Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.

Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.

New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to tormally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.

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Lionel: He affirms Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) and the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite) and , is waiting for the rest of the Church to follow.

John Martignoni: The American Catholic apologist.He says the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to 'zero cases' in our reality. So they are not exceptions to EENS.

Fr.S.Visintin osb: He is the Dean of Theology at the St.Anselm Pontifical University in Rome.He agrees with Martignoni.

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