Tuesday, May 10, 2016

The doctrinal tube is not empty if the premises are avoided

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Anonymous said...
So perhaps the next stage of "organic development" is to accept the fact that conversion is an outmoded concept in the salvation biz. The doctrinal tube is empty

Lionel:
I would not use this analogy.Since we cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube.
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I would say that the sheep are not in the barn.They can enter the barn in future.
We must be aware of the false premise used to project the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Once we eliminate the premise, we are back to the old doctrine.The sheep, Catholics, then have only the old ecclesiology before them.
1.The premise is that there are known cases in the present times of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
2.The premise is that these known cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance exclude the baptism of water.
3.So the conclusion is that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and so not every one needs to be a formal member of the Church any more.
4.Instead theology must now be Christological and it can no more be an exclusivist ecclesiology. It is Jesus without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church.
Once we interpret Vatican Council II or the dogma EEENS without the premise ( 1 and 2) we eliminate also the conclusion ( 3 and 4).
It means Catholics are back to the old 'rigorist' interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Feeneyite version.This is the conclusion.
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It also means there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite version of EENS, since without the irrational premise,LG 16 etc are not visible but invisible for us.
The sheep will know the correct way to go to the barn and how to remain there.The confusion will be removed.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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