Heresy, Schism and Apostasy
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DefinitionsThe Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these three sins against the faith in this way: 2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. Lionel: The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it was known in the 16th century and previous centuries is rejected according to Pope Benedict in a recent interview with Avvenire. The dogma was revealed truth based on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16. __________________________ "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubtconcerning the same; Lionel: Pope Benedict has refused to affirm the dogma EENS as it was interpreted over the centuries. ____________________________ apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him." [Code of Canon Law c.751]The Church's moral theology has always distinguished between objective ormaterial sin and formal sin. Lionel: The moral theology of the Church before and after the Council of Trent is not the same. _________________________ The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic faith is materially a heretic. Lionel: Since the dogma EENS is no more affirmed by the contemporary magisterium it is the Catholic faith which has been changed. It is members of the magisterium who are in heresy. _______________________ They possess the matter of heresy, theological error. Lionel: The contemporary magisterium uses an irrational premise and inference to create a new theology, which is a break with the pre-Council of Trent magisterium. This is heresy. _______________________ Thus, prior to the Second Vatican Council it was quite common to speak of non-Catholic Christians as heretics, since many of their doctrines are objectively contrary to Catholic teaching. Lionel: They were heretics according to the old ecclesiology based on the dogma EENS. ________________________ This theological distinction remains true, though in keeping with the pastoral charity of the Council today we use the term heretic only to describe those who willingly embrace what they know to be contrary to revealed truth. Such persons are formally (in their conscience before God) guilty of heresy. Thus, the person who is objectively in heresy is not formally guilty of heresy if 1) their ignorance of the truth is due to their upbringing in a particular religious tradition (to which they may even be scrupulously faithful), and 2) they are not morally responsible for their ignorance of the truth. This is the principle of invincible ignorance, which Catholic theology has always recognized as excusing before God. Lionel: The concept of invincible ignorance in the new theology is based on the use of an irrational premise and inference to create a non traditional and heretical outcome. The concept of invincible ignorance is heretical.It is an irrationality used to reject the dogma EENS. _________________________
the Roman Pontiff, whom Vatican I defined as having a universal primacy of authority over the whole Church, is at least a material schismatic. Lionel: Presently we have Pope Benedict and Pope Francis rejecting the dogma EENS as it was accepted by the popes over the centuries. They also interpret Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism instead of rational and traditional Feeneyism which is still an option which they reject. They use the same irrational premise and inference to suggest that there are known exceptions in moral theology, to the traditional teaching on mortal sin and Hell.In other words, they know of people who are living in manifest sin but will not be going to Hell. So now the primacy of authority is there with popes in public heresy. ____________________________ It was thus common in the past to speak of the schismatic Orthodox Churches who broke with Rome in 1054. As with heresy, we no longer assume the moral culpability of those who belong to Churches in schism from Rome, and thus no long refer to them as schismatics. Lionel: They are no longer referred to as schismatics since the popes today no more affirm the dogma EENS as did the popes over the centuries. __________________________ Excommunication When it comes to Catholics who are formally guilty of heresy, apostasy or schism, the Church applies the penalty of excommunication. The 1983 Code of Canon Law,repeating the sanctions of the earlier 1917 Code, states,
is the fact that these ultra-traditionalist groups profess to be doctrinally orthodox, an orthodoxy which necessarily includes the teaching that Outside the Church There Is No Salvation. Lionel: They say they affirm EENS but most of them interpret EENS with Cushingism. The traditionalists Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St. Benedict Centers, USA are an exception. _______________________________________ This means that someone who has formally separated himself from the Church through heresy or schism, or knowing the Church to be true failed to enter her, cannot be saved, unless of course they renounce their own will and reconcile with the Church. Lionel: Apparantly EWTN here considers all the traditionalists as affirming EENS according to Feeneyism which is considered heretical. While EWTN interprets EENS with Cushingism and considers this magisterial. _______________________________________ Unlike the non-Catholic Christian, can the super-orthodox claim invincible ignorance of this teaching? Lionel: The contemporary magisterium can make things clear for all.They could clarify that EENS can be interpreted with or without an irrational premise and inference, with Cushingism or Feeneyism. They can make the same distinction for Vatican Council II. Perhaps Pope Francis realizes that the magisterium made a mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II ( Cushingism). So now he is inviting the SSPX into the Church with Vatican Council II not being an issue. He also needs to apologize for the excommunication of Archbishop Lefevbre who was rejecting a Cushingite Vatican Council II. He could also apologize for the Holy Office(1949) excommunicating Fr.Leonard Feeney for rejecting a Cushingite EENS. _______________________________________ Can they escape the condemnation of Pope Boniface VIII, who in first elaborating it said, "this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God ...? Lionel: Pope Boniface VIII approved the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the Council of Florence 1441.It was Feeneyite!.It is being rejected by EWTN today. ______________________________________________________ No wonder that given enough time such groups inevitably produce those who claim that the See of Peter is vacant, since the logic of their schismatic attitude is ultimately irreconcilable with the doctrine of papal primacy, as enunciated by both Pope Boniface and Vatican I. Lionel: Pope Boniface and the pope and cardinals at Vatican 1 were Feeneyite on EENS.The present two popes are heretical and non traditional since they interpret EENS and Vatican Council II with Cushingism. So Vatican Council II (Cushingite) emerges as a break with EENS ( Feeneyite). -Lionel Andrades
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Pope Benedict's Avvenire interview contradicts the SSPX General Chapter Statement on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/pope-benedicts-avvenire-interview.html For there to be an exception to EENS it would mean there is a known case, a physically known case in the present times, who made it to Heaven without the baptism of water.An invisible case cannot be an exception. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/for-there-to-be-exception-to-eens-it.html Heresy in Amoris Latitiae ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/heresy-in-amoris-latitiae.html
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Sunday, April 10, 2016
The present two popes are heretical and non traditional since they interpret EENS and Vatican Council II with Cushingism. So Vatican Council II (Cushingite) emerges as a break with EENS ( Feeneyite).
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