The apprehension of Catholics on the eve of the Post-Synod Exhortation - Roberto de Mattei-Roberto de Mattei, Corrispondenza Romana March 23, 2016 (Rorate Caeili)
Roberto de Mattei:
The continuity of doctrine is demonstrated through facts not words. Confronted with these novelties in praxis, how can it be said nothing will change? And how can the hermeneutic of continuity be proposed when it has already failed as far as the Vatican II documents are concerned?
Lionel : Vatican Council II's hermeneutic of continuity has not failed for me since there is no known salvation outside the Church for me.
It has failed for Pope Benedict XVI since there is known salvation outside the Church for him. So LG 16 would contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is 'a development of doctrine'.
It is the same for Roberto de Mattei. LG 16 refers to a known case of salvation outside the Church i.e someone personally known who was saved in invincible ignnorance through no fault of his own, and of course without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
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In his discourse to the Roman Clergy on February 14th 2014, Benedict XVI, the most authoritative promoter of the hermeneutic of continuity, admitted the debacle of this interpretation of the events.
Lionel:
In his recent interview with Avvenire he rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He said there was a development of doctrine with Vatican Council II. There could only be a development if there was known salvation outside the Church.So he infers that LG 16 for example, refers to personally known and explicit cases of persons saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.This is the hermeneutic of rupture.It is a break with the past.It is a break with the old ecclesiology based on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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His abdication from the pontifical throne was first of all, the defeat of his tentative to stem the post-council’s religious and moral deviation by placing it on a level of pure theological and hermeneutical debate. When the same Benedict XVI moved from the hermeneutical level to that of the facts, in conceding the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, he won the battle. And Summorum Pontificum represents the highest point of his pontificate.
Lionel:
However he permitted Summorum Pontificum with no change in the new theology of Rahner which he implemented in the Catholic Church.The new theology is based on their being empirically known cases of salvation outside the Church.So the Traditional Latin Mass is offered by the FSSP priests, in Rome for example, with LG 16 referring to known cases. Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by the 16 th century missionaries.It is offering the Latin Mass with the hermeneutic of rupture.It is a rupture with the old ecclesiology.
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Those who use the hermeneutic method, need to accept the possibility of different interpretations of the same text or event.
Lionel :
The interpretation depends upon whether LG 16 refers to hypothetical or objective cases in 2016. Is there known salvation outside the Church or is there no known salvation outside the Church?
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If the plurality of interpretations is denied, by affirming that a document or a papal act must necessarily be read in continuity with the precedent Magisterium, the hermeneutical method is in itself rendered futile.
Lionel:
The hermenuetic method depends upon how you interpret the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney. If the baptism of desire etc refers to known cases there is a heremeneutic of rupture.
If the baptism of desire refers to hypothetical, non -objective cases, it does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there is a hermeneutic of continuity.
Pope Benedict interprets Vatican Councul II with the hermenutic of rupture. Even for Bishop Bernard Fellay, LG 16 is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So he rejects Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
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