The issue is not just the dogma EENS but Vatican Council II. How do you interpret Vatican Council II ?

Paul,

The issue is not just the dogma EENS but Vatican Council II. How do you interpret Vatican Council II ?. 

You can interpret Lumen Gentium 16 (being saved in invincible ignorannce with or without the baptism of water) as referring to objectively visible cases or objectively invisible cases. So there is a choice. One choice is Feeneyite and the other is not.One choice is traditional and the other is not. One choice is rational and the other is not and one choice is heretical.

So there are two ways of reasoning and this may directly not have anything to do with the dogma EENS.

The contemporary Church does not believe in Feeneyite EENS, as compared to the pre. Council of Trent Church, this is a given.However the issue is how do you interpret Vatican Council II?

-Lionel

Cardinal Ottaviani was a Cushingite like Pope John XXIII.Those who participated in the Council of Florence were Feeneyites -2 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/cardinal-ottaviani-was-cushingite-like_14.html

http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2016/02/bishop-schneider-interviewed.html