Saturday, February 20, 2016

I am affirming the offical teaching of the Catholic Church interpreted without the common irrational premise and inference, to achieve a non traditional conclusion.I am not saying anything new.

I affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church interpreted with Feeneyism i.e there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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Comments from the blog post:
The Vatican Curia and Newman Theological College,Canada have to use an irrationality to interpret magisterial documents as a break with EENS




 
 
Remnant Clergy:
Sorry, but you are wrong and on this matter and are effectively a Calvinist who thinks that God creates people for damnation.
Lionel:
As long as a person is alive there is hopè. If he converts in faith, becomes a Catholic and lives the Gospel according to the Catholic Church he will be saved.He will not be condemned.In Heaven there are only Catholics who are there without mortal sin on their soul.
In general people are born with Original Sin and then commit mortal sins in this state. They are all oriented to Hell without the baptism of water.(John 3:%, Mark 16:16)
This is the teaching of the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is also the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) and that of the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257-the necessity of baptism and 845 and 846- all need faith and baptism for salvation).

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These people who could never have heard of Jesus were put there by God, and God knew that they had no way to hear of Jesus and so God created them for damnation according to your logic.
Lionel:
 St Thomas Aquinas mentions the man in the forest in ignorance who is to be saved. He says God will send a preacher to him.So that before he dies he will be baptised and taught the Faith. This is a possibility and it is a hypothetical case.
In general, all need faith and baptism for salvation (Vatican Council II) so the natives in N. America before the missionaries went there were oriented to Hell. We do not know of any exceptional case among them, like the one referred to by St. Thomas Aquinas.We cannot know.Being saved with faith and baptism is the norm, being saved in invincible ignorance, allegedly without the baptism of water, is not the norm according to the Catholic Church.

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 When you reject official Church authority like you do, then you are nothing but a protestant yourself, in spite of claims otherwise.

Lionel:
I affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church interpreted with Feeneyism i.e there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For us humans there cannot be any objective case of someone being saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.There is no salvation outside the visible boundaries(faith and baptism) of the Church

You affirm Vatican Council IIi and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I assume, like most other Catholics. You interpret them with Cushingism i.e there ARE KNOWN exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For us humans THERE ARE objective cases of someone being saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. For you THERE IS salvation outside the visible boundariesof the Church
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For me Cushingism is irrational, non traditional and heretical since it is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Nicene Creed (Feeneyite version).

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There will be the Illumination of Conscience soon, the 6th Seal in the Bible, and everyone will see their soul. Recall that you are judged as you judge others? So you will have a very rude awakening.

Lionel:
I AM affirming the offical teaching of the Catholic Church intepreted without the common irrational premise and inference, to achieve a non traditional conclusion.I am not saying anything new.
-Lionel Andrades
 

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