Saturday, January 16, 2016

Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II with Cushingism : this is manifest heresy


A heretic is a Catholic who obstinately denies a 
revealed- Cardinal Muller.

It is a great joy to witness Pope Francis' steadfast 


"The pope's espousal of the poor and his unflinching 




adherence to the fact that theologically the periphery
 is not the margin but the center [of the church], and 
that the hope of humankind lies in Jesus Christ and 
not in the New York Stock Exchange warms my
 heart," Müller said...
Lionel:
Cardinal Muller and Pope Francis do not affirm 
that the hope of mankind, the salvation of mankind 
lies in Jesus in the Catholic Church.This is not 
possible since they have interpretated the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the theology of 
Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism.The
 result is non traditional and heretical.
_______________

The interviewer said that Francis' critics have accused 
him of not appreciating doctrine sufficiently. Some of
 his critics had even called him a heretic.
Lionel:
Pope Francis considers extra ecclesiam nulla salus
"triumphalism". He has approved of the Jesuits 
expelling Fr. Leonard Feeney from the community,
 for saying there are no exceptions to the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For the Jesuits and for 
Pope Francis there are exceptions.They accept the
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which considers the 
baptism of desire an exception, as if someone
 personally saw or knew a saint or person in Heaven
 who was there without the baptism of water.
__________________

"I assure them that they are wrong -- not only ex officio,
 but from personal experience," Müller said. "A heretic
 is a Catholic who obstinately denies a revealed truth
 that the church has declared to be true and that 
Catholics are obliged to believe."
Is it true that the CDF had received accusations of
 heresy against Francis?
Lionel:
 "A heretic is a Catholic who obstinately denies a revealed truth
 that the church has declared to be true and that Catholics are
 obliged to believe."
Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller obstinately interpret
 the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism 
( i.e the baptism of desire  exists without the baptism of
 water and these cases are visible and known in personal
 cases so they are explicit exceptions to all needing to
 enter the Church, they are evidence of salvation outside
 the Church).
They also obstinately interpret Vatican Council II with
 Cushingism( i.e LG 16 refers to visible and known cases
 in the present times and so they are exceptions to the
 Feeneyite intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus).
They also obstinately interpret the Nicene Creed as saying 
not 'I believe in one baptism for the forgivness of sins ( the
 baptism of water) but ' I believe in three or more known 
baptisms water, desire and blood'. This is irrational since
 desire and blood if they are baptisms which save, they
 would only be known to God.So they cannot be exceptions 
or relevant to all needing one baptism for the forgiveness of 
Original Sin.We do not know of any such 'baptism'.
They also obstinately deny the infallibility of the pope ex 
cathedra when he defined extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They reject the defined dogma with a 1949 letter from 
one bishop to another which the liberals placed in the 
Denzinger.The Letter(1949) made an objective error. 
There are no physically visible cases of the baptism of 
desire etc without the baptism of water.So there are no
 objectively known exceptions of someone saved without
 faith and baptism .It is a fact of life that we cannot see 
people in Heaven in 2016 without the baptism of water
 who are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the 
Church, all needing to be 'card carrying members' of the
 Church for salvation.
______________________

"No!" Müller replied.
The German cardinal was appointed to CDF by Pope
 Benedict XVI. What has changed under Pope Francis?
"Nothing," Müller said. "The two popes for whom I coordinate
 the work of the Congregation are different people. That
 enriches the church."
The CDF's job is to protect the faith against heresies or
 schismatic tendencies, Müller said but added, "We must
 also raise our voice against the inner secularization of the
 church."
Lionel:
The recent Vatican document on inter-religious dialogue 
with the Jews said Jews do not need to convert and so 
there is no mission to the Jews.This has been approved 
by the CDF. It is also another example of Cardinal Muller 
and Pope Francis rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which
 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
_________________

Francis has his own style for sermons and pastoral approach,
 "both of which millions of people find most convincing. But 
he has again and again emphasized that everything he says 
and all his gestures must be interpreted within the framework
 of the Catholic creed," Müller said. "Jesus said God's salvific
 will is the way, even if it seems difficult. For us Catholics, but
 also for Protestant Christians, the Word of God is the truth 
and, as far as issues concerning the truth are concerned,
 there are no compromises. We are not God's negotiating 
partners..."
Lionel:
Here again we have a denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus.The dogma says Protestants ( heretics) and 
Orthodox Christians( schismatics) need to convert into
 the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.( Cantate
 Domino, Council of Florence 1441).We now have a denial
 of the dogma. The truth has been compromised. It is a
 denial of the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology with a
 vague Christology.It is a denial of the traditional 
interpretation of John 3:5, Mark 16:16.
__________________

Müller was also asked if he and Cardinal Walter Kasper,
 who was also in the German language group, had serious 
differences of opinion on such topics.
"Cardinal Kasper and I are Catholic theologians who
 proceed from the fact of Divine Revelation.
Lionel:
Both accept that there are known exceptions to the
 dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words 
not every one needs to enter the Catholic Church
 formally, there is known salvation outside the Church.
 This is rupture with Divine Revelation.Cardinal Kasper
 in a front page interview to the Italian magazine 30Giorni ,
 said no one believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
_____________

 We are not politicians trying to reconcile conflicting interests," 
Müller replied. "Faith is not a party program that one can adjust
 to the will of the electorate. The church is not a philosophers'
 club trying to discern the truth. It is about the Spirit of God who
 has conserved the church for 2,000 years..."
Lionel:
For some 1700 years the Church taught an exclusivist 
ecclesiology.Now the exclusivist ecclesiology has been 
replaced with alleged known salvation outside the Church
 in other words someone allegedly saw someone saved 
without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.This is
 fantasy theology. It is irrational and heretical.It is affirmed
 by Popes and cardinals.
Why should I accept it as a Catholic ?
I am in agreement with the pre- Council of Trent 
magisterium which interpreted the dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus with no known exceptions. This is rational for me.
 In 2016 I do not know of any one who is an exception or will
 be an exception.If I say there are exceptions I imply I can see 
people in Heaven who have died or I know of people on earth
 who will die without the baptism of water in the Catholic 
Church and who will go to Heaven.This is irrational. Yet upon
 this irrational the new theology is created which has been
 accepted by Pope Francis  and Cardinal Muller.
_______________________________

[Christa Pongratz-Lippitt is the Austrian correspondent for the London-based weekly Catholic magazine The Tablet.] http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/m-ller-denies-cdf-received-heresy-accusations-against-pope

Müller denies that CDF received heresy accusations against pope
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/muller-denies-that-cdf-received-heresy.html

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Cardinal Muller has changed doctrine, supports the development of heresy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-muller-has-changed-doctrine.html
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Cardinal Gerhard Muller like AP interprets Vatican Council II with the error from the Baltimore Catechism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-gerhard-muller-like-ap.html

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ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH : NCR interview 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/archbishop-gerhard-muller-assumes-that.html#links
Cardinal Gerhard Muller's doctrinal error was placed on the Vatican website and found on Edward Pentin's webpage.The editors at the National Catholic Register approved it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/cardinal-gerhard-mullers-doctrinal.html
JANUARY 13, 2015


Cardinal Gerhard Muller used a false premise and he is to evaluate Medugorje http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/cardinal-gerhard-muller-used-false.html
http://ingodscompany2.blogspot.it/2016/01/medjugorje-documental.html

Cardinal Muller has alleged apparitions like Medugorje : apparition theology for the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/cardinal-muller-has-alleged-apparitions.html

MEDUGORJE PHENOMENON AT THE CDF OFFICE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/medugorje-phenomenon-at-cdf-office.html

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CARDINALS WHO USE THE IRRATIONAL ONE ARE TO JUDGE MEDUGORJE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/there-can-be-two-interpretations-of.html

CARDINALS WHO HAVE CHANGED THE FAITH FOR POLITICAL REASONS ARE TO EVALUATE MEDUGORJE

MANELLI FAMILIES STOP THE COERCION : ITS ILLEGAL
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/manelli-families-stop-coercion-its.html

Manelli lawyers must clarify with Apostolic Commissioner Fr.Fidenzio Volpi

No acknowledgment from the Vatican Press Office to 12 questions :Franciscans of the Immaculate

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/no-acknowldgement-from-vatican-press.html



January 16, 2015
Catholics threatened by their bishop or the Vatican
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/roberto-de-mattei-wants-franciscan.html

Doctrinal error within the SSPX too ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/doctrinal-error-within-sspx-too.html

In this way we undo the damage done by Fr.Karl Rahner and others who did not make the explicit-implicit, visible-invisible distinction.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/in-this-way-we-undo-damage-done-by.html

Pope Pius XII, Cardinals Ottaviani, Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre were factually wrong

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/pope-pius-xii-cardinals.html


Toronto Catholic Witness uses same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/toronto-catholic-witness-uses-same.html




CDF would be telling a falsehood,if it continued to promote Cushingism http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/cdf-would-be-promoting-falsehoodif-it.html

CDF hiding the truth still
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cdf-hiding-truth-still.html

Meeting needed between Ecclesia Dei/CDF, SSPX,CMRI and others: all agree that the baptism of desire is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/meeting-needed-between-ecclesia-deicdf.html


AP repeats lie about Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/ap-repeats-lie-about-vatican-council-ii.html

The present Magisterium supports the political Left on doctrine and has also made a factual mistake http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/the-present-magisterium-supports.html

Immagine correlata

OATH AGAINST MODERNISM : MAGISTERIUM IS IN HERESY

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/oath-against-modernism-magisterium-is.html

CDF could soon fault the SSPX for not accepting the Cushing interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/cdf-could-soon-fault-sspx-for-not.html

Vatican Council II is traditional: SSPX should ask Ecclesia Dei to accept the Council without the Richard Cushing Error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/vatican-council-ii-is-traditional-sspx.html

Richard Cushing Confusion at the Vatican
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/richard-cushing-confusion-at-vatican.html

Pro SSPX supporters should protest at the CDF on their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/pro-sspx-supporters-should-protest-at.html


Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J uses the false premise : here is the proof!


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/archbishop-augustine-di-noia-was-using.html#link Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is still in heresy :visible to us baptism of desire and invincible ignorance contradicts a defined dogma http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-secretary-of.html

THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN VATICAN COUNCIL II ONLY WITH THE FALSE PREMISE: THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL OTHERWISE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/there-is-ambiguity-in-vatican-council.html

Archbishop Di Noia's the Church is always right is becoming controversial: How can the Holy Spirit say that we can see the deceased saved?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-di-noias-church-is-always.html#links
FANTASY THEOLOGY : PILTDOWN MAN THEOLOGY AT THE CDF
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/fantasy-theology-piltdown-man-theology.html#links
For nearly 20 years the Holy Office(CDF) and the Archbishop of Boston did not lift the excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney when the baptism of desire was never ever an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/for-nearly-20-years-holy-officecdf-and.html#links
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/holy-father-assumes-those-saved-in.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION OBJECTIVELY WRONG ON INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/international-theological-commission.html#links   

IF THE CDF DOES NOTHING WHOM CAN WE APPEAL TO, POPE FRANCIS ?: PUBLIC ERRORS BY VATICAN OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/if-cdf-does-nothing-whom-can-we-appeal.html

January 13, 2013
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-last-sesecret-doctrinal-talks-were.html#links

ITALIAN PRIEST CRITICIZES BAGNASCO FIASCO: THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT JEWS NEED TO CONVERT http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2009/10/italian-priest-criticizes-bagnasco.html


Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martignoni


JOHN MARTIGNONI SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS: WHEN WILL THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN CURIA ACKNOWLEDGE IT?

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