Wednesday, December 9, 2015

Latin Mass Societies' Mass is heretical

The Residential Course of the Latin Mass Society at which Fr. Hunwicke will offer the Traditional Latin Mass will also be heretical.1 The priests who offer the Mass in the Extra Ordinary Form will have to  reject Vatican Council as a continuity with Tradition. Since they will use Cushingism in the interpretation. They will mix up what is invisible as being visible and what is only hypothetical as being explicit.So with Vatican Council II they will choose a heretical intepretation. Vatican Council II, rational and Feeneyite, crossed out, they will offer Mass as if all is normal.
Then the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance common sense tells us is known only to God and is unknown to us in  personal cases. Fr. Hunwicke and the other English traditionalist priests will assume these cases are known to us. So they become  exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So they will reject the old ecclesiology and confidently offer the Latin Mass as if they are still in line with Tradition.
Score: Vatican Council II crossed out, old ecclesiology rejected.
They are rejecting a dogma defined by three Church Councils. This too is heresy.This is  also a rejection of the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra.
Score: Dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus changed with Cushingism- theology. It was an infallible teaching. The dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex- cathedra is also discarded.
The Nicene Creed's ' one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' has been replaced by three known baptisms (desire,blood and water), may be more( seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the Church...all without the baptism of water).This is a first class heresy.This is the new theology of the Latin Mass.
Score: They change the Nicene Creed, reject the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church and the one on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra.They reject Vatican Council II ( interpreted rationally) in the Ordinary Magisterium.Then they offer/attend the 'old' Mass with the rituals but without the old theology.
For Fr.Hunwicke and Joseph Shaw  the baptism of desire (BOD) and blood (BOB) , and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I), refer to personally known, objective cases in the present times and they exclude the baptism of water.Otherwise why would they be exceptions or relevant to the dogma on salvation? They exclude the baptism of water! This is not the ecclesiology of the ancient Latin Mass.
 Since there is visible instead invisible for us, BOD, BOB and I.I they have an alleged explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). They reject the centuries old interpretation of EENS which does not mention any exceptions nor claims BOD, BOB or I.I as being relevant to EENS.Instead the text of the dogma accentuates the absence of exceptions. EENS is a defined dogma and the traditionalists and  sedevacantists have changed its meaning not aware of the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.This is heresy.
Then since BOD, BOB and Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) refer to known cases , Vatican Council II becomes  a break with the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the Creeds ( Nicene, Athanasius Creed). LG 16 being explicit would contradict the Feeneyite version of the dogma EENS. So this is how they offer the old Mass while rejecting Vatican Council II.
There is a choice. If they consider BOD, BOB and Lumen Gentium 16 as referring to invisible- for- us cases, which would only be known to God, there are no explicit exceptions in  Vatican Council II to EENS. Vatican Council II would not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition. Instead they maintain their heretical interpretation of Church documents using the LG 16- is- explicit premise.

Historical references of BOD, BOB and I.I are assumed to be explicit instead implicit, visible instead of invisible. This is contrary to common sense. This irrationality is used to put aside  the Nicene Creed,the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441), the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra  and Vatican Council II.
With this heresy they offer/ attend the Traditional Latin Mass.
When St. Anthony Mary Claret, St.Francis di Sales, St. Alphonsus Liguri and other saints   for example offered the Traditional Latin Mass they affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS and did not change the Nicene Creed. Even if they accepted the baptism of desire (BOD) they did not connect it with EENS.Since if they did connect it with EENS they would imply that BOD is explicit.This would be irrational.
Today I attend the Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass and I hold the strict interpretation of EENS along with invisible for us and known only to God BOD, BOB and I.I.
I have not changed the dogma  EENS or the Nicene Creed and for me  Vatican Council II is not a  break with EENS and the Creeds.

Without the irrationality used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II no priest is being allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass.Joseph Shaw chairman of the Latin Mass Society, England does not mention this in public. They have to accept heresy in theology, to get permission to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.
This is the irrationality Joseph Shaw teaches as a Catholic with the approval of the liberal Catholic bishops in England. So he is given the teaching  permission (mandatum) by the local bishop to teach theology since he has compromised the Faith with the irrationality of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti, Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Holy Office(1949).

The Holy Office 1949 made a factual mistake. It was an objective mistake and not just a mistake in theology. It was an error in observation. In a sense it was a philosophical error. Upon this error it based the new theology.

No magisterial document before 1949 connects BOD, BOB  with EENS.It was separated.The priest offering the Latin Mass today has to make the connection.The Church Fathers and the Medieval Fathers  did not make a link between baptism of desire ( BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).It was liberal theologians who made the connection.It is now part of the heretical theology of the Latin Mass.

Over time Catholics kept referring to the baptism of desire (BOD). It was a possibility. Something accepted hypothetically. Then liberal theologians began to assume that BOD was not hypothetical but real. This happened when they linked BOD with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).This connection between EENS and BOD does not come from the time of the Apostles.It really came into the Church in a big way in 1949.

Denying or changing the dogma EENS according to the pre-1949 magisterium is heresy.
Assuming the Nicene Creed's 'I believe in one baptism ( baptism of water) for the forgiveness of sins' refers to more that one baptism ( desire, blood, invincible ignorance(LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR3), seeds of the Word(AG 11) etc, all without the baptism of wateris heresy. 

The is is how the Latin Mass ( and Novus Ordo) Mass is offered today with the approval of the contemporary Magisterium.

The contemporary magisterium is presently teaching that BOD and BOB are exceptions to EENS. This is non traditional.It is not apostolic.It is a break with the pre-1949 magisterium of the Catholic Church.All the Latin Mass Societies are following this theology.
-Lionel Andrades



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The old Mass and the Latin of the old Mass helps both the priest and the laity understand a lot more I think about the theology of the Church right back to the third century (2:57)
The theology of the Church in the third century was Feeneyite.Fr.Kramer denies it.He has to deny it to be able to offer the Traditional Latin Mass in Rome.If he would affirm the theology of the Latin Mass of the third century the Rome Vicariate would ask him to leave.
I personally know that he would not support any message which says all non Non Catholics need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell, using as a reference the CDF Notification on Fr. Jacquis Dupuis 2000 and Dominus Iesus 20.
Also during the Year of the Faith he had to allow speakers who would speak in general about God and exclude the necessity of the Church for salvation.I hope they mentioned Jesus.
He has conveniently and expediently denied the Faith in Rome all these years and persecuted other Catholics who did affirm the Faith.Life was comfortable for him in Rome unlike those who affirmed the Catholic Faith.
The Traditional Latin Mass is still being offered by him as Pastor of a church in Rome, but without the ecclesiology of the third century.
He offers the TLM with the new theology. He is a Cushingite.
The Mass he offers is heretical and a modernist one.
1.He does not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he uses Cushingism as a theology.
2.He changes the Nicene Creed to 'I believe in there baptisms for the forgiveness of sin.'Since the baptism of desire and blood are known baptisms for him and so they are exceptions to the dogma.
3.He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism and so LG 16 is an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is a break with the Church teaching  as it was interpreted in the third century.
A priest who offers the Latin Mass with all this heresy is a modernist.

So many times I have written about this and sent him copies but there is no comment.There is no comment since the priority is staying in Rome and maintaining ones 'career'.
There is no Traditional Latin Mass with the old theology being offered in Rome that I know of .The Left will not permit it.
So if the true Latin Mass has a future in Rome it would be underground.
-Lionel Andrades