Thursday, November 19, 2015

Traditionalists are not saying that Vatican Council II agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct : no comment on Islam and salvation

Related imageRoberto dei Mattei, Father Cipolla FSSP, Michael J.Matt and so many other Catholics  have commented on the Paris terror and they are not saying that LG16,LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Fr.Leonard Feeney's excommunication was a mistake. So the Catholic Church still teaches after Vatican Council II that all Muslims are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'( AG7, LG 14). Rorate Caeili has posted a report  titled De Mattei: "A false battle against Islam". Yet where is the battle one may ask, when none of the Rorate Caeili correspondents or Roberto de Mattei, will say in public that Vatican Council II indicates all Muslims are oriented to Hell, without 'faith and baptism'.
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Michael Matt  has criticized the  Vatican for its  'vapid' response to the Paris terror but he will not say that Vatican Council II is in agreement with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) . There is no statement from Christopher Ferrara too.
 
Roberto de Mattei who is a professor at a Legion of Christ university in Rome is also not going to state that the Magisterium made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard  Feeney.Instead for him and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), Vatican Council II's   LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 refer to explicit cases.So this makes them exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
 
The Legion of Christ universities like the Vatican have accepted Cushingism, which is irrational and heretical. Cushingism  says there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS. In other words the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to known cases in the present times, of persons saved without the baptism of water. So they are exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of EENs.(Where are these cases?!) 
Immagine correlataFr. Leonard  Feeney and the St.Benedict Center would not repeat this politically necessary nonsense, so  Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 wrongly assumes there can be explicit exceptions to the dogma. Even during Vatican Council II, the excommunication was not lifted.
No pope corrected the factual error.
Now if Prof. Roberto dei Mattei says all Muslims are oriented to Hell according to  Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) and that the ecclesiology of the Catholic Church is still Feeneyite and traditional, since there are no exceptions to the traditional interpretation  of the dogma, he could be expelled by the university and blacklisted by the  Vatican.So he does not say it.
Vatican Council II is now even a slogan with traditionalists as it is for the liberals.
So where is the battle with Islam that is mentioned in the Rorate Caeli report? None of the traditionalists are willing to say that Islam is not a path to salvation according to Vatican Council II. Instead they hold the Jewish Left, liberal position and say that Vatican Council II (NA) says Jews and Muslims do not need to convert.This is politically correct. So they reject Vatican Council II and indirectly support the interpretation of the liberals.
Roberto de Mattei's Corrispondenza Romana does not affirm the centuries old strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. Yet they consider themself traditionalist.Mattei also holds the common dual position. He supports the pre-1808 understanding of the dogma which mentions no exceptions and also supports the present magisterium which says there are exceptions to the dogma. So for Roberto de Mattei the magisterium before 1808 was Feeneyite and this is acceptable and the present Magisterium is Cushingite, which is also acceptable for him. 
-Lionel Andrades

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LG16,LG 14, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc are not exceptions to EENS : Fr.Leonard Feeney's excommunication was a mistake http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/lg16lg-14-lg-8-ur-3-na-2-etc-are-not.html