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Siamo in guerra contro gli USA - Forza Nuova

Siamo in guerra contro gli USA
"Hanno deciso di muovere guerra contro l'Europa. Lo strumento che l'America sta utilizzando da anni è il fondamentalismo islamico".
Roberto Fiore 27 giugno 2015

27/06/2015 più di mille camicie bianche hanno marciato a Roma, per manifestare contro USA ed Arabia Saudita, burattinai dell'ISIS

Cos'altro aggiungere? Preghiamo per le innocenti vittime di questa strage.
Hollande chiude le frontiere... Anche Renzi e Alfano aspettano questo per farlo?

Fr. Zakaria Botros_Ten Demands

Coptic Priest Zakaria Botros Islam's Public Enemy #1

American Christian Woman Converted by Pakistani Muslim & than what happened next ?

Muslims Pretend to Be Nice People

Father Zakaria - Islam Spread by the Sword, deceiving and threats

There are so many passages in Vatican Council II which are there because of the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

There are so many passages in Vatican Council II which are there because of the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. They were approved by the Council Fathers since the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney  was not lifted by the popes during Vatican Council II. The 1949 Letter issued by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII mixed up the distinction between what is explicit and implicit. visible and invisible.

The passages in red in the Letter refer to invisible cases. Yet it is assumed that they are visible and known to us human beings. It is assumed these cases are exceptions to all needing to enter the Church.How can invisible cases be exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? This was a factual mistake. The same mistake can be read in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.


We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church.
Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (Matt. 28: 19-20).
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
The same in its own degree must be asserted of the Church, in as far as she is the general help to salvation. Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.). For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.
Discussing the members of which the Mystical Body is-composed here on earth, the same august Pontiff says: "Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed."
Toward the end of this same encyclical letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition "in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, 1. c., p. 243). With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire, and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion (cf. Pope Pius IX, Allocution, , in , n. 1641 ff.; also Pope Pius IX in the encyclical letter, , in , n. 1677).
But it must not be thought that any kind of desire of entering the Church suffices that one may be saved. It is necessary that the desire by which one is related to the Church be animated by perfect charity. Nor can an implicit desire produce its effect, unless a person has supernatural faith: "For he who comes to God must believe that God exists and is a rewarder of those who seek Him" (Heb. 11:6). The Council of Trent declares (Session VI, chap. 8): "Faith is the beginning of man's salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and attain to the fellowship of His children" (Denzinger, n. 801).
From what has been said it is evident that those things which are proposed in the periodical , fascicle 3, as the genuine teaching of the Catholic Church are far from being such and are very harmful both to those within the Church and those without.
From these declarations which pertain to doctrine, certain conclusions follow which regard discipline and conduct, and which cannot be unknown to those who vigorously defend the necessity by which all are bound' of belonging to the true Church and of submitting to the authority of the Roman Pontiff and of the Bishops "whom the Holy Ghost has placed . . . to rule the Church" (Acts 20:28).
Hence, one cannot understand how the St. Benedict Center can consistently claim to be a Catholic school and wish to be accounted such, and yet not conform to the prescriptions of canons 1381 and 1382 of the Code of Canon Law, and continue to exist as a source of discord and rebellion against ecclesiastical authority and as a source of the disturbance of many consciences.
Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities, and has not even feared to incur grave sanctions threatened by the sacred canons because of his serious violations of his duties as a religious, a priest, and an ordinary member of the Church.
Finally, it is in no wise to be tolerated that certain Catholics shall claim for themselves the right to publish a periodical, for the purpose of spreading theological doctrines, without the permission of competent Church authority, called the "" which is prescribed by the sacred canons.
Therefore, let them who in grave peril are ranged against the Church seriously bear in mind that after "Rome has spoken" they cannot be excused even by reasons of good faith. Certainly, their bond and duty of obedience toward the Church is much graver than that of those who as yet are related to the Church "only by an unconscious desire." Let them realize that they are children of the Church, lovingly nourished by her with the milk of doctrine and the sacraments, and hence, having heard the clear voice of their Mother, they cannot be excused from culpable ignorance, and therefore to them apply without any restriction that principle: submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.
In sending this letter, I declare my profound esteem, and remain,
Your Excellency's most devoted,
F. Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani.
A. Ottaviani, Assessor.
(Private); Holy Office, 8 Aug., 1949.


The passages in red refer to invisible for us cases. They are theoretical and hypothetical. They would only be known to God. Yet they are placed after orthodox passages which say all need to enter the Church for salvation.Since, it was wrongly assumed that these persons, in the red passages , are personally known.The mistake has come from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 cited above. The passages in red should not have been placed in Vatican Council II.Since there is no link with the previous orthodox passage or the dogma on salvation.

7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come. -Ad  Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the ChurchWhosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.

We have to interpret the passages in red as referring to invisible cases and so they are not relevant or exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They are not relevant to the passages in blue.In this way Vatican Council II will not contradict it self or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature",(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.- Lumen Gentium 16

8. Christ, the one Mediator, established and continually sustains here on earth His holy Church, the community of faith, hope and charity, as an entity with visible delineation (9*) through which He communicated truth and grace to all. But, the society structured with hierarchical organs and the Mystical Body of Christ, are not to be considered as two realities, nor are the visible assembly and the spiritual community, nor the earthly Church and the Church enriched with heavenly things; rather they form one complex reality which coalesces from a divine and a human element.(10*) For this reason, by no weak analogy, it is compared to the mystery of the incarnate Word. As the assumed nature inseparably united to Him, serves the divine Word as a living organ of salvation, so, in a similar way, does the visible social structure of the Church serve the Spirit of Christ, who vivifies it, in the building up of the body.(73) (11*)
This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, (12*) which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd,(74) and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority,(75) which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth".(76) This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity. -Lumen Gentium 8

2. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.
Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)
The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.-Nostra Aetate 2,Vatican Council II.

-Lionel Andrades

German teachers union warns girls to stay away from refugee men

“Mannke and Seltmann-Kuke then go on to describe how innocent conversations in public transportation and in supermarkets can lead to sexual assault.” This is manifestly true, as many Muslim men view unveiled non-Muslim women as asking for and inviting sexual assault. What’s more, the Qur’an’s teaching on the “captives of the right hand,” i.e., infidel sex slaves (4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50), only helps encourage this kind of behavior.
But to point out such things is “racist”: “The content [of the article] is completely base, it serves prejudice and the far-right fringe,” said the Green party’s Claudia Dalbert. And that’s that. Reality must not be discussed if it is politically incorrect.
German teachers union warns girls to stay away from refugee men,”, November 7, 2015 
A teachers group in the German state of Saxony-Anhalt has garnered criticism after saying girls should be encouraged to stay away from male – often Muslim – refugees. Politicians have accused the group of fear-mongering.
A teachers group in the German state of Saxony-Anhalt has garnered criticism after saying girls should be encouraged to stay away from male – often Muslim – refugees. Politicians have accused the group of fear-mongering.
“An immigrant invasion is spilling over in Germany,” said an article in a recent teachers union magazine, which went on to recommend girls stay away from “often attractive Muslim men.”
The statement from the “Journal of the Philologists’ Association of Saxony-Anhalt” that young women should be dissuaded from relationships with Muslims drew ire from state politicians on Saturday.
According to a report by German daily “Mitteldeutsche Zeitung,” the original article by the teachers group, signed by leaders Jürgen Mannke and Iris Seltmann-Kuke, told instructors to warn their students of the risk of being molested by refugees and to resist the temptation to engage in “a superficial sexual adventure with the often attractive Muslim men.”
The newspaper also reported that the article alleges that these “young, strong, mostly Muslim … often uneducated men” are entering the country “under dubious pretenses.” Mannke and Seltmann-Kuke then go on to describe how innocent conversations in public transportation and in supermarkets can lead to sexual assault.
As a record number of people seeking asylum come to Germany, many escaping violence in their homelands, Saxony-Anhalt’s education minister, Stephan Dorgerloh, took exception to the union’s implication that the safety of female students was threatened by the refugee crisis. Speaking to the “Mitteldeutsche Zeitung,” Dorgerloh accused the group of “amplifying rumors, spreading half-truths and exploiting its value as a union.”
“The content [of the article] is completely base, it serves prejudice and the far-right fringe” of the political spectrum, state leader of the Green party Claudia Dalbert told the newspaper….

Pakistan: Christians build churches despite death threats

Pakistan: Christians build churches despite death threats


Javed David doesn’t seem to understand the situation. Muslims have threatened David and warned him to stop building new churches. So why is he going ahead? Why is he needlessly and recklessly poking them in the eye? They told him they didn’t like this activity — doesn’t he realize how much he is harming Muslim-Christian dialogue by provoking Muslims in this way?
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which understands very well that the dialogue must be preserved at all costs and all activities that offend Muslims must be ended immediately, should send an emissary or two over to Lahore to explain present-day realities to David and to the Rev. Sohail Farman. Perhaps an Eastern Catholic bishop, one with an Arabic background and a sterling record of silencing and ostracizing those who speak out against Muslim persecution of Christians, could take one of his trusted priests, one who knows that those who oppose jihad and Islamic supremacism are an ongoing danger to the church, and they could go over to Lahore together and explain to David and Farman that Islam is at its core a Religion of Peace, as long as Christians don’t cross any red lines and do anything to goad the poor dears into doing something violent — violence for which the Christians would be entirely responsible, of course.
Church construction Pakistan
Lahore, Christians build churches despite death threats,” by Shafique Khokhar, Asia News, November 9, 2015
Lahore (AsiaNews) – After receiving death threats earlier this year, the “Hope for Light” Christian Association has begun building a new church in the rural village of Sehari, Kasur district (35 km south-east of Lahore).
The village is home to 36 Christian families, who currently meet in a mud building Church that is too small to accommodate everyone. In view of the situation, Mass has to be celebrated outside.
After visiting the village, Rev Sohail Farman, who heads ‘Hope for light, said that the association would fund the construction of a new place of worship.
“Sehari is a small village of 200 houses,” said Sohail Farman. At least 36 belong to Christians who earn a living from farming.” In October, ‘Hope for Light’ began to build a church for them.
“We hope that people will benefit from this new place of worship and seek God through new blessings. We are doing our best to ensure that we can celebrate Christmas in the new church. The Muslim community is supporting this project all the way. ”
“We are committed to our mission and we will continue to help poor communities build churches,” said Javed David, leader of the construction team. “They have a right to have a place of worship. This is our fourth church.”
David himself told AsiaNews how earlier this, he received threats from Muslims, who warned him to stop building new churches. “This is a Muslim country and we cannot allow you to continue,” he was told. At that time, “Hope for Light” was active in Shekhupura District.
“We hope that things will improve with time,” said Malvin Mall, a team member. “We just shifted our focus from Shekhupura to Sehari, but for sure we shall continue our work in Shekhupura.”
“The change of focus is temporary,” added Ataurehman Saman, another member. “So far we have built three churches in Shekhupura and Jaranwala districts, Punjab.”…

Jewish man stabbed in Milan

Italy: Jewish man stabbed nine times by masked female Muslim

This savage behavior is being directly incited in the “Palestinian” territories by Muslim clerics such as Sheikh Muhammad Sallah “Abu Rajab” and Abu Hamza ‘Ashur. Now it is spreading worldwide; we saw it recently in Paris, and now in Milan.
Jewish man stabbed in Milan,” by Ido Ben Porat, Israel National News, November 13, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
Natan Graf, a haredi Jew in his 40s, was stabbed on Thursday evening near in Milan, Italy, sustaining minor to moderate wounds.
According to local reports, Graf, who also holds Israeli citizenship, was stabbed by a female Muslim near a kosher restaurant in the city.
The reports said the masked assailant arrived at the scene, pulled out a knife and stabbed the Jew nine times.
The victim was treated by local medical personnel and taken to hospital. The suspect fled the scene but some reports said she was subsequently apprehended and taken in for questioning.
The incident comes amid an increase in anti-Semitic attacks in Europe. A senior European Union official recently warned of rising anti-Semitism in Europe as attacks and threats against Jews continue in EU member countries.
As well, the European Jewish Congress recently released a damning report revealing a spike in anti-Semitism throughout Europe…

Death toll in Paris jihad suicide bombings and massacres rises to 160

Death toll in Paris jihad suicide bombings and massacres rises to 160

Will this unimaginable savagery jolt the West into realism about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat? Probably not.
Paris jihad
“‘I Saw Bodies’ in Paris’s Night of Terror,” by Dana Kennedy, Michael Weiss and Justin Miller, The Daily Beast, November 13, 2015:
Suicide bombers and gunmen struck the capital of France in one of the worst attacks in the West since 9/11.
At the start of a nightmarish, bloody, apocalyptic evening in Paris, Carmela Uranga heard sounds near her apartment that she thought at first were merely fireworks.
Uranga, 47, a British-born mother of two young children, was eating an early dinner with her girls Friday when they heard “scary noises” and Uranga rushed to her window, making her girls stand back.
Uranga lives by the Le Petit Cambodge restaurant and the Le Carillon bar in the 10th arrondissement where the first of several terrorist attacks occurred Friday night. She was shocked and horrified by what she saw just under her window.
“People were running all over the place and then I saw bodies lying on the street,” Uranga told The Daily Beast from Paris via telephone. “It was so surreal. I still can’t believe I saw what I saw. I live in this wonderful, vital place which is like a small village in the midst of Paris. And I saw bodies!”
As she surveyed the carnage below her window on Rue Bichat, she saw two men she believes were the shooters get in what she said appeared to be a a “getaway” car that passed just under her window“It was a black car with Belgium license plates,” she said. “There was a driver and a passenger. I saw the passenger very clearly. He looked so young, 18, no more than 20 at the oldest. There was no doubt in my mind these were the shooters. They were leaving the scene so calmly. Another car was blocking the only other way out so they had a clear path. This seemed to be a very planned attack. It all happened so quickly will never forget seeing those two pass by in the car under my window.”Police believe gunmen killed 14 people at the Cambodian restaurant and another dozen at the nearby bar in a spate of attacks that killed at least 160 people across France’s capital. More than 100 people were killed in the Bataclan theater alone after three terrorists detonated their explosive vests when police barreled in….

The Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Cushing was in manifest heresy and the pope supported it and the sedevacantists have accepted it.

IAAD has posted another comment to which I respond here.


This disposes of Lionel Andrades once and for all!


Here are the citations.I repèat them.
'A sedevacantist is saying I am outside the Church when I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, hypothetical and invisible for us baptism of desire and baptism of blood and a Vatican Council II in which LG 16 etc refer to invisible and not visible cases ? Which teaching have I rejected? You instead reject Vatican Council and invisible for us and known only to God BOD and BOB.For you BOD and BOB are explicit and so you reject the defined dogma EENS. So this is also a rejection of the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra.You have also changed the Nicene Creed with one baptism replaced by three, this is a first class heresy.'

Introibo: Therefore, give me a specific reference to ANY pre-Vatican II council, theologian, Canon law, or papal decree that teaches

(a) Catechisms promulgated by the pope and/or catechisms promulgated by conferences/councils of bishops with formal papal approval can teach error.
None of them say they teach error.Neither do they say that the sedevantists are interpreting the Catechism and Vatican Council II with error.

I have given you the actual error.I have given you specific references of the error in Church documents in previous blog post.

Introibo: No. All you did was claim an error existed.
Yes if you infer someone in Heaven is on earth. This is an error. An error exists.
When you build a theology upon people in Heaven existing on earth, then an error exists.
Correct the error, without saying Pope Pius XII was not a true pope and made the error during his pontificate in the Boston Heresy case. The Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Cushing was in manifest heresy and the pope supported it and the sedevantists have accepted it.

Lionel:It is Catholic teaching that when the pope speaks ex cathedra he is infallible. The infallibility of the pope is a dogma of the Church. Similarly extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma of the Church it is an infallible teaching.

Introibo: It is also infallibly defined by that same Vatican Council that proclaimed the infallibility of the pope, ALSO proclaimed the Infallibility of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium which you deny!!!

Lionel: When a church document,sedevacantist or traditionalist says BOD and BOB are exceptions to the dogma,

Introibo: What dogma? BOD and BOB make you part of the Church so it's not an exception to EENS!!
The dogma is EENS. It does not mention BOD and BOB.
You reject EENS with explicit BOB and BOD. I accept EENS and also implicit for us BOD and BOB:You change the Nicene Creed with explicit BOB and BOD. You interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition and EENS with explicit for us LG 16. So you also again heretically reject Vatican Council II. Since you reject EENS with explicit for us BOD, BOB and LG 16 you are also rejecting the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex catedra, i.e when three Church Councils defined EENS. Isn't all this enough for you ?

Lionel:This is irratiional. It is also heretical. Since it contradicts the dogma on salvation and the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra.

Introibo: The Ordinary Magisterium Can't contradict the extraordinary because BOTH are infallible when declaring something must be believed. All the theologians and Doctors of the Church have taught BOTH and therefore explained how the two are compatible. One is the ordinary way( BOW) the other extraordinary (BOD/BOB) to obtain membership in the Church and salvation!!
All this is meaningless since you will not make the explicit-implicit distinction. Here is what you have said above with the distinction between invisible and visible made for you.
The Ordinary Magisterium ( which considers BOD, BOB and LG 16 invisible for us) Can't contradict the extraordinary ( which considers BOD, BOB )because BOTH are infallible when declaring something must be believed. All the theologians and Doctors of the Church have taught BOTH ( with BOD, BOB and LG 16 being invisible for us ) and therefore explained how the two are compatible.( only with BOD, BOB and LG 16 invisible for us and visible for God only ) One is the ordinary way( BOW which is invisible) the other extraordinary (with BOD/BOB being invisible ) to obtain membership in the Church and salvation!!

The Church does not teach there is error in general in a catechism and so no document has to claim it does.If there is an error it would be corrected practically.

Introibo: Since catechisms are protected from error by the Holy Ghost they can contain NO mistakes whatsoever! God makes it so
Interesting, a sede who rejects the Catechism and Vatican Council II is saying there is no error...

NO citations! I have proven that catechisms approved by the Holy Father cannot teach error as they are under the infallibility of the ordinary Magisterium.
You reject them as a sede ?!

They teach BOD and BOB without BOW which you REJECT!
They teach BOB and BOB as being invisible for us. They can in fact, in reality,defacto only be inviisble for us.I accept this.
For you they are explicit for us. I reject this.
Your not going to clarify your position here since your whole sede-liberal theology will come crumbling down.

Introibo: More proof Lionel holds the heretical notion that the Holy Ghost can allow the Ordinary Magisterium to err! As if GOD can be overcome by "pressure groups"!
Lionel: The pope is infallible only ex cathedra i.e in the the Extra Ordinary Magisterium .

Introibo: Then you deny the ex cathedra teaching of the First Vatican Council which proclaims the infallibility of the ordinary and universal Magisterium.
The Magisterium ordinary and extra ordinary before 1808 taught BOB and BOD were invisible for us and known only to God . This is common sense. They cannot be known and visible to us.
The Magisterium ( ordinary) contradicted the pre 1808 Magisterium and inferred that BOB and BOD referred to explicit cases and so they were exceptions to the traditional, centuries old interpretation of the dogma. The sedes have chosen the irrational post 1808 ordinary magisterium and contradict the extra ordinary Magisterium which defined the dogma.

Lionel: Anyway even without their citation you reject the Catechism ( 1995) as a sedevacantist.

No. I reject a pseudo-catechism that was not approved by a true pope!
So it is pseudo for you and not for me. So much of the Catechism(1992) repeats what is mentioned in the Catechism of Trent which is not pseudo for you.
So there is error in the Catechism for you?

Lionel: You also reject Vatican Council II even though there is no official citation saying the Church could make error.

Introibo: The Church cannot make errors but the HIERARCHY CAN DEFECT!
 Now you are saying what I have been saying. There can be human error and this should not be attributed to the Holy Spirit.

Proof:St. Robert Bellarmine (1610) “A pope who is a manifest heretic automatically (per se) ceases to be pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.” De Romano Pontifice. II.30.
St. Bellarmine also did not say BOD and BOB are exceptions or relevant to EENS. This is the mistake of Fr. Anthony Cekada.
Pope Pius XII made an innocent mistake in the Boston Case. Does he cease to automatically be a Christian and a member of the Church ?

VICTORY! (Continued)

Lionel: Pope Pius XII made an objective error in the Boston Case. He mixed up what was invisible as being visible. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Is he a false pope for you?

Introibo: YOU think he made an error. He did not. So yes, he was a true pope. If you think he taught heresy you should be a sedevacantist!
You have said that the baptism of desire is not visible to us.It is not known in the present times.So how could BOD be an exception to EENS according to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. Why they did condemn Fr. Leonard Feeney? This was during the pontificate of Pope ius XII. You say BOD is invisible. How can an invisible case be relevant to the dogma EENS?Cardinal Ottaviani and Cardinal Marchetti Selvggiani were in error. They were promoting heresy.

Lionel: I repeat I do not deny BOD and BOB. I do not have to deny them since they are not relevant or exceptions to EENS.I accept them.

Introibo: No, you do not accept them as the Church teaches. You're right; they are not exceptions to EENS because they cause Church membership and grace to those that receive them without BOW.

That's not why I am right. I am right because they do not exist for us in the present times. You are afraid to say this. The sedes are afraid to say this over four months. Since their house of straw theology will collapse. It is based on a factual error.

Lionel: The pope is infallible only ex cathedra i.e in the the Extra Ordinary Magisterium .

Introibo: A direct denial of the Infallible (ex cathedra) teaching of the First Vatican Council!

When the ordinary magisterium infers people in heaven are exceptions on earth please do not attribute this to the Holy Spirit.

I accept BOD and BOB. You have not been able to provide a single citation which says BOD and BOB refer to explicit cases, personally known and so are relevant to the dogma EENS or, are exceptions to all needing to formally convert with 'faith and baptism'.
Not a single citation.

Introibo: You do not accept BOD/BOW as the Church teaches. I will give you your citation below in my summary.

By 'as the Church teaches' you mean as the present Magisterium uses an irrational inference, I should do the same.
I accept them in principle.They do not contradict Feeneyism.
I reject Cushingism, which assumes BOD is explicit and so relevant to the dogma EENs.


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Introibo: For someone who's big on alleged distinctions of "visible and invisible" you can't distinguish between "true pope/false pope."
In other words, sedevacantists are not teaching that catechisms approved by the Holy See teach error. We are saying, in conformity of the unanimous consent of the theologians, the papal decree of Pope Paul IV "Ex Cum Apostolatus Officio", of 1559, and canon law that a heretic CANNOT be pope. Therefore, when the post-V2 popes professed heresy in their personal capacity they ceased to be (or never became) pope. Hence, there was no protection of the Holy Ghost from error since they were not members of the Church. YOU think a professed heretic can be pope! Therefore, the Holy Ghost failed the Church! That is blasphemy. The difference between our positions is very clear!

Lionel: So the bottom line is that you reject the Catechism ( 1992).

Introibo: No, the bottom line is you didn't understand what I wrote above. The 1992 "Catechism" is not a catechism because no pope approved it.
It was approved by a pope.Historically he was the pope.Also there is doctrine in the Catechism(1992) which is the same as the Council of Trent.

You accept Antipope John Paul II, the Koran-kissing apostate who in Togo actually paid homage and worship to the "sacred snakes" of the pagans!
This is your personal judgement and condemnation. You do not and cannot know his motivations and views.

He's no pope--but you think he is, Lionel. Were they "innocent mistakes"?

Lionel asked for a citation to an explicit case of BOD or BOB. An explicit case is St. Victor.
Explicit refers to someone who is explicit in November 2015. He would have to be explicit for those of us who live today, for him to be an exception to the dogma , which tells us all need explicit baptism of water.
People who lived in the past cannot be explicit today.Common sense.


St. Victor is in the Roman Martyrology, approved as part of the liturgy by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582. St. Victor is in this book pertaining to the liturgy and it declares that he died AS A CATECHUMEN (i.e. unbaptized) because he was "baptized in his own blood." Had he died after water baptism he would not be considered a catechumen and would have not have died as one.
And he is not explicit today.

________________________________The Church cannot make anything in the liturgy that is an incentive to impiety. The Roman Martyrology is an outward sign of the liturgy and to claim that St. Victor somehow received BOW after BOB would make the liturgy an incentive to impiety, because people reading the plain meaning of the words would naturally think BOB alone was true.
No one saw him in Heaven without the baptism of water to make this claim in the liturgy.

The Council of Trent infallibly decreed:
"Canon 7. If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema."
Yes so it should not be said that he and St. Emerentiana are in Heaven when none of us could know or could know this.It should not have been placed in the liturgy.


Therefore, on the authority of Pope Gregory XIII, and the Council of Trent, I know St. Victor is in Heaven with BOB alone, just like the Roman Martyrology says. The Holy Ghost knows how St. Victor's soul got there, so He would not allow His Church to teach this error. No ability to "see the dead is necessary"
When you say that he is in Heaven your telling me that someone could see him in Heaven after he died.This is nonsense.

So there are my citations Lionel!
What citations? St. Victor is alive today and explicit ? 


1. Lionel Andrades claims to believe in BOD and BOB. In truth, he believes that BOW must follow them for salvation.

Yes. Since this is the dogmatic teaching in EENS and we personally cannot know any exception. Cushingism which cites exceptions is irrational.

2. He confuses BOD and BOB as being "exceptions" to EENS. They are not since they make you a member of the Church same as BOW.
He affirms invisible for us BOD and BOB so they are not exceptions to EENS. He accepts this.
Explicit for us BOD and BOB would be exceptions to EENS. This would also be irrational . So he rejects this.


3. He denies the infallibility of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium (UOM) of the Church. Ironically, this infallibility of the UOM was declared ex cathedra by the First Vatican Council.


He afirms the Extra ordinary Magisterium of the Church and rejests the ordinary magisterium when it infers BOD and BOB are explicit for us in the present times.It contradicts the pre 1808 Extra ordinary and ordinary magisterium.


4. He believes that catechisms approved by true popes (whose teachings are protected from error by the UOM) nevertheless contain errors.


Not in general but there is a specific error with respect to the dogma EENs. The dogma has not link with BOD and BOB allegedly explicit for us.The link was made in the Baltimore Catechism, the Catechism of Pope PIus X and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992).


5. Popes, saints, and theologians have affirmed BOTH the absolute necessity of Baptism by water AND BOD/BOB.


Yes as long as they are kept separate and not connected. If BOB and BOD are considered explicit then it is irrational. It is inferring that the popes and saints made a mistake.

Either they are schizophrenic, or they were referring to the ORDINARY way to enter the Church (water baptism) and Extraordinary means (BOD and BOB without water baptism)
They were aware of the explicit -implicit distinction.
_____________________________6. St. Victor is but one example of a saint in Heaven without BOW because he's saved by BOB.
You would not know for sure.Neither would any one else in the Church.

7. Lionel thinks we need to be able to "see the dead" to confirm St. Victor is in Heaven. We do not.
Yes. Otherwise how could he be an exception to the dogma which is inspired by the Holy Spirit.How could the Holy Spirit make a mistake.
Anyway physically it is not possible to confirm if St. Victor was an exception.

The Holy Ghost will not allow an incentive to impiety in the liturgy or any falsehood at all to be taught.God sees St. Victor and will not allow His Church to teach a falsehood in the liturgy. So it is not necessary to "see St. Victor in Heaven without BOW." I gave citations to Pope Gregory XIII and the Council of Trent.
The Holy Spirit will not allow it. This is being said after hearing the statements of contemporary popes and cardinals ?
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8. Lionel has no citations, and claims that popes and catechisms as well as the First Vatican council's infallible decree on the UOM can all teach error. This is a blasphemy against God Who protects His One True Church from error.
The pre 1808 Magisterium is contradicted by the post 1808 Magisteriu, So at one time an error was made.

9. Lionel has claimed that we need to read Church documents making the distinction of "visible/invisible" and "explicit/implicit" so as to render Vatican II compatible with Tradition.
Yes. Vatican Council II is compatible with Tradition when this rational distinction is made.

Actually, I ask my readers to read all of our exchanges above making the distinction. "common sense/really stupid." If you read them with common sense you'll see the Catholic position. If you read them being really stupid, you'll end up a bizarre heretic like Lionel Andrades.
I hope your readers have the courage and integrity to make the distinction.

-Lionel Andrades

There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Cantate Dominio on ecumenism and other religions

Sedevacantist decides not to answer if LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to explicit or implicit cases - 2