Thursday, November 5, 2015

Sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity Seminary Fl. since Oct. 10, 2015 does not clarify if in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8) refers to persons visible or invisible.

Bishop Dolan during an ordination

The Most Holy Trinity Seminary Florida since  October 10, 2015 does not clarify if in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8) refers to persons who are  visible or invisible.


from the website of the sedevacantist  Most Holy Trinity Seminary, Florida, USA.

Most Holy Trinity Seminary was founded in 1995 in order to provide priestly training for young men who thoroughly reject Vatican II,(in which LG 16, LG 8 etc refer to explicit cases instead of invisible cases.For me it is Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 refer to invisible cases.Let me qualify this at the outset.) its reforms, and the Modernist hierarchy which promulgates them.(the modernism comes from assuming LG 16, LG 8 are visible instead of invisible) This position is in contrast to the seminaries of traditionalist groups that operate with the approval of the Modernist hierarchy, or who seek this approval.( they also assume LG 16, LG 8 are visible instead of invisible. So Vatican Council II ( with the irrationality) becomes a break with Tradition)
The Seminary trains priests according to pre-Vatican II standards.( but they also accept the Baltimore Catechism and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the same irrationality) Its rule, discipline, spiritual formation, and academic curriculum imitate faithfully those which were in effect in seminaries before the Second Vatican Council.( before 1808 there were no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For the seminary the baptism of desire and baptism of blood are exceptions. This is an innovation) By training priests in this manner, the seminary hopes to contribute to the solution to the problem of the nearly universal desintegration of Catholic faith, morals, discipline, and liturgy which the Second Vatican Council has caused.(When Vatican Council II is referred to it needs to be qualified that this is Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 etc are invisible instead of visible.For me LG 16, LG 8 etc is invisible so Vatican Council II would not be a break with the pre-1808 ecclesiology in the Catholic Church).
The seminary sees that the only solution to the problem of Vatican II( in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are visible and known in personal cases.This is irrational.It is also Magisterial.), however, is to condemn it as a false council( it would be a false interpretation of the Council, I agree. If I would use the irrational premise I too would get a non traditional conclusion) which was dominated by heretics, and to discard and ignore its decrees and enactments. Consequently, the Seminary does not seek to be recognized by the heretical hierarchy which promulgates Vatican II,(also with the same irrational premise i.e LG 16 etc are visible instead of invisible and so is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology which the seminary follows by excluding Vatican Council II) nor does it seek to work with the Novus Ordo clergy, as if in a single church or religion.( since they too are using the same irrational premise but accept Vatican Council II with the same non traditional conclusion.)
The Seminary therefore repudiates the idea of the Motu Proprio Mass, or that of a fraternity of priests which has received permission or seeks permission from the Novus Ordo hierarchy to function in communion with the Modernist heretics.
The Catholic Church, in the outlook of the Seminary, will not be cured of its current problems until the hierarchical sees, particularly the papacy, are once again occupied by Catholics. For as long as Modernist heretics possess the mere appearance of authority which they now possess, the problem of Vatican II (with LG 16 visible instead of invisible) will continue. In the meantime the Seminary, as well as the priests who emanate from it, shall abhor even the suggestion of an official recognition from the Novus Ordo hierarchy(which interprets Vatican Council II irrationally like the seminary), or of a compromise with the Modernists, whom St. Pius X called the “most pernicious of all the enemies of the Church,” who are striving “utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ.”
 
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When the sedevacantist seminary website says the Most Holy Trinity Seminary was founded in 1995 in order to provide priestly training for young men who thoroughly reject Vatican II, they are referring to a Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 refer to known cases in the present times (2015) and that these known cases are explicit exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation. They are exceptions to all needing to be formal members of the Church. So for them Vatican Council II is a break with the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
There is no denial from the seminary over nearly a month since I reported this on my blog and sent Bishop Donald Sanborn a copy.They had a chance to review their position and they have agreed that LG 16, LG 8 refers to known cases for them to be exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
This is an irrational and non traditional position of the seminary under Bishop Donald Sanborn.
 
This is sedevacantist modernism which comes from wrongly assuming  LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 etc as being visible instead of invisible.
 
This position is not in contrast to the seminaries of traditionalist groups and the Vatican as it is claimed. Since those all seminary faculties also assume LG 16, LG 8 are visible instead of invisible. So Vatican Council II becomes a break with Tradition because of the common irrational inference.
 
The Seminary claims it trains priests according to pre-Vatican II standards but the seminary also  accepts the Baltimore Catechism and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with used the same irrationality i.e they assumed there is known salvation outside the Church; there is known salvation of persons saved without faith and baptism.There is none!
 
The seminary's rule, discipline, spiritual formation, and academic curriculum imitate faithfully those which were in effect in seminaries before the Second Vatican Council.This is not true. Since  before 1808 there were no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For the seminary the baptism of desire and baptism of blood are exceptions. This is an innovation.
 
The  seminary hopes to contribute to the solution to the problem of the nearly universal desintegration of Catholic faith, morals, discipline, and liturgy which the Second Vatican Council has caused, it needs to be clarified, with Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 etc are invisible instead of visible.
For me LG 16, LG 8 etc is invisible so Vatican Council II would not be a break with the pre-1808 ecclesiology in the Catholic Church.
 
When the website says that the seminary sees that the only solution to the problem of Vatican II however, is to condemn it as a false council it should be clarified that they are referring to a Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are visible and known in personal cases.This is irrational.It is also Magisterial. A Magisterium otherwise rejected by the sedevacantists.
 
  The website says Vatican Council II was dominated by heretics yet they would also agree that to interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents, while assuming there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus would also be heresy.
The Nicene Creed says there is one baptism for the forgiveness of sin for the seminary faculty and students there are three known baptisms, the baptism of water, desire and blood. This is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
 
 The Seminary does not seek to be recognized by the Vatiucan hierarchy which promulgates Vatican II also with the same irrational premise i.e LG 16 etc are visible instead of invisible and so is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.
 
The Seminary  does not seek to work with the Novus Ordo clergy, as if in a single church or religion who also are using the same irrational premise but accept Vatican Council II with the same non traditional conclusion.
-Lionel Andrades
 





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An innovation was made in the Baltimore Catechism ,accepted in the Catechism of Pope Pius XII became Magisterial in 1949 at Boston and was included in Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/an-innovation-was-made-in-baltimore.html
 
http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/home.html