Monday, October 26, 2015

Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II

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Cardinal Walter Kasper said in an interview that if ecclesiology could be changed then why could not the divorced and remarried be given the Eucharist.In principle the Synod has decided to give them the Eucharist and it will be decided by numerous priests on an individual basis.
When Cardinal Kasper said ecclesiology had been changed he meant that the red passages here (B) contradict the blue passages (A).
ERROR N.1
BALTIMORE CATECHISM

 B.

321. How can those be saved who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism?
Those who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism can be saved through what is called baptism of blood or baptism of desire.
322. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of blood?
An unbaptized person receives the baptism of blood when he suffers martyrdom for the faith of Christ.
Greater love than this no one has, that one lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)
323. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of desire?An unbaptized person receives the baptism of desire when he loves God above all things and desires to do all that is necessary for his salvation.Baptism. Lesson 24 from the Baltimore Cathechism
  
A.

315. What is Baptism?
Baptism is the sacrament that gives our souls the new life of sanctifying grace by which we become children of God and heirs of heaven.
Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

316. What sins does Baptism take away?

Baptism takes away original sin; and also actual sin and all the punishment due to them, if the person baptized be guilty of any actual sins and truly sorry for them.
Get up and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on his name. (Acts 22:16)

317. What are the effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism?

The effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism are that we become members of the Church, subject to its laws, and capable of receiving other sacraments. 

320. Why is Baptism necessary for the salvation of all men?

Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men because Christ has said: "Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Now they who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. (Acts 2:41) - Baptism. Lesson 24 from the Baltimore Cathechism

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A.

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.

B
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation. -Catechism of Pope Pius X, Rome 1905

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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949

A

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.
Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (Matt. 28: 19-20).
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.


B
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.

Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire...

From these declarations which pertain to doctrine, certain conclusions follow which regard discipline and conduct...

ERROR N.4
VATICAN COUNCIL II

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a doorTherefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
A
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
B
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him.Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II  

Here is Cardinal Kaspar and the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity saying B is an exception to A . It's irrational.



PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY
(Lines emphasised in red. Comments by Lionel)
by Cardinal Walter Kasper, from the website of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, Vatican

In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”.[7] It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem.[8] The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950).[9] But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.( Lionel: He means Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong since B is an exception to A. The baptism of desire is an exception to all needing to convert into Church with no exceptions)
The Council went a decisive step further with the aid of the “subsistit in”. It wished to do justice to the fact that there are found outside of the Catholic Church not only individual Christians but also “elements of the church”(Lionel: These 'elements' are known and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching on all needing to be formal members of the Church.He infers they are known and are found outside the Church. So B ( saved-elements) is an exception to A) indeed churches and ecclesial communities which, although not in full communion, rightly belong to the one church and possess salvatory significance for their members (LG, 8, 15; UR, 3; UUS, 10-14). (Lionel : And they are known to us in the present times.They are relevant exceptions to the dogma.So B is an exception to AThus the Council is aware that there are outside of the Catholic Church forms of sanctification which even extend as far as martyrdom (LG, 15; UR, 4; UUS, 12, 83). (Lionel: So outside the Church there are known cases of persons saved who are not members of the Church, with 'faith and baptism', and these persons being known makes B is an exception to A) .The question of the salvation of non-Catholics is now no longer answered personally as in Mystici corporis on the basis of the subjective desire of single individuals, but institutionally on the basis of objective ecclesiology.(Lionel: He means ecclesiology has changed since B is an exception to traditional A .There is no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church for him) 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/card-kasper-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20041111_kasper-ecumenism_en.html

It is with using an irrational interpretation, B is an exception to A, that Cardinal Kaspar, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger,the International Theological Commission, Council for Christian Unity and the present Magisterium  have changed Church ecclesiology.
When A does not contradict B, as it is for me, then there is no change in the traditional eccclesiocentric ecclesiology, of the Catholic Church.
  -Lionel Andrades


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Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It has an exclusivist ecclesiology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/questions-and-answers-vatican-council.html
Questions and Answers : Did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make a factual mistake ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/questions-and-answers-did-letter-of.html
Questions and Answers : Evangelizing with Vatican Council II


Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for not accepting the error which emerged from the Baltimore Catechism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/frleonard-feeney-was-excommunicated-for.html

Vatican Council II has an error : secular journalists, cardinals and bishops don't know what to do  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/vatican-council-ii-has-error-secular.html

Religion correspondents keep prudently silent on Magisterial Error in Vatican Council II :Vatican's CDF made a mistake



Religion correspondents have not commented on the Development of an error in the Catholic Church, which influences their reporting on Vatican Council II. Associatd Press AP) Correspondent Nicole Winfield (left, seen in the picture) has removed the above picture  from her Twitter page. She has also removed my posts and will not comment. There is no comment also from the USCCB Establishment reporter Cindy Wooden seen in the picture.Neither will Phillip Pullela, the Reuters correspondent, discuss how can he still project Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For all of them, including the Jesuit priest seen in the picture, B would contradict A.
For me B does not contradict A. So Vatican Council II is not a break with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Here is the development of an error in the Catholic Church.The mistake is overlooked by Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, in the interpretation of Church magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II.
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Development of an error in the Catholic Church
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From the Baltimore Catechism to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992) we can see the development of a new doctrine, an irrationality, to negate the centuries old dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), defined by three Church Councils.With the development of the irrationality in magisterial documents, the old ecclesiology was discarded.
 
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ERROR N.1
BALTIMORE CATECHISM
 
321. How can those be saved who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism?
Those who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism can be saved through what is called baptism of blood or baptism of desire.
322. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of blood?

An unbaptized person receives the baptism of blood when he suffers martyrdom for the faith of Christ.
Greater love than this no one has, that one lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)

323. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of desire?
An unbaptized person receives the baptism of desire when he loves God above all things and desires to do all that is necessary for his salvation. - Baptism. Lesson 24 from the Baltimore Cathechism
I have mentioned in a previous blog post 1 that there are no physical cases of the baptism of desire and blood, they cannot be known and seen on earth, as we see the baptism of water. The baptism of water can be given.It can be repeated.The baptism of desire and blood cannot be given and repeated and we do not know of any such case personally.So they are not exceptions to all needing the baptism of water to avoid Hell.
These cases are not relevant to all needing the baptism of water, the necessity of the baptism of water for salvation. So they should not have been placed in this section of the Baltimore Catechism.
They do not contradict the following passages from the same Catechism.

315. What is Baptism?
Baptism is the sacrament that gives our souls the new life of sanctifying grace by which we become children of God and heirs of heaven.
Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

316. What sins does Baptism take away?

Baptism takes away original sin; and also actual sin and all the punishment due to them, if the person baptized be guilty of any actual sins and truly sorry for them.
Get up and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on his name. (Acts 22:16)

317. What are the effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism?

The effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism are that we become members of the Church, subject to its laws, and capable of receiving other sacraments.

320. Why is Baptism necessary for the salvation of all men?

Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men because Christ has said: "Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Now they who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. (Acts 2:41) 2
Being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases for us.Since they are not objectively seen they do not contradict the Baltimore Catechism when it states ' Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men...'.
It is necessary for all with no exceptions.
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ERROR N.2
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27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation. -Catechism of Pope Pius X, Rome 1905
Again we must note, I repeat, that being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases for us .There should have been no reference to it here.The same errror of the Baltimore Catechism has been placed in the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
Since 29 Q does not refer to an explicit, objectively seen case, it does not contradict 27Q which states ,' No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church'.
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ERROR N.3
 
LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
 
The Baltimore Catechism error was accepted by the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani to the Archbishop of Boston and which was made public some three years after it was issued.
The first part of the Letter affirms the dogma and the necessity of the baptism of water.I refer to it as A.
A
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.
Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (Matt. 28: 19-20).
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.
The second part of the Letter mentions exceptions to the first part.I refer to these passages as B and they are in red.The Letter contradicts itself.

B
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.

Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire...

From these declarations which pertain to doctrine, certain conclusions follow which regard discipline and conduct...
We must remember that being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases for us.So B does not contradict A.The Letter made a mistake.
Since B does not refer to explicit, objectively seen cases it cannot contradict A.There can be no known exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.

When it states ' no one will be saved who, knowing...' it assumes those saved in invincible ignorance refer to known cases in our reality, in the present times. They are saved in their ignorance. For the 1949 Magisterium they are not culpable.They are exceptions to all needing the baptism of water.On the other hand those who 'know', who are not in inculpable ignorance and who are seen and known in the present times, for the Magisterium , were on the way to Hell.This is irrational. Since these cases would be known only to God.
We cannot judge who knows or does not know and will be saved. They are zero cases in our reality. So they are not relevant or exceptions to the dogma.This is a new doctrine which was 'developed' in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
This error was placed in Vatican Council II (LG 14)
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VATICAN COUNCIL II

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
A
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.
B
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him.
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MAGISTERIAL ERROR IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
Again I repeat being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases for us.So B does not contradict A.
B is superflous.
It should not have been placed in Vatican Council II.

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ITS MAGISTERIAL!

It should not have been placed in Vatican Council II !
The same mistake is made in Lumen Gentium 14.
The error in Vatican Council II is carried over from the Baltimore Catechism because B was supposed to be explicit for them.
However we can correct the error in future. Avoid it in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.I have done it numerous times on this blog.
I know that B is always invisible and not known to us. So the confusing text is there in the Magisterial documents but it does not contradict the traditional teaching on the necessity of the baptism of water for all. It is not confusing if B is considered invisible for us. It would then also not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.We have to be aware of this when intepretating Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/religion-journalists-did-magisterium.html

Bishop Donald Sanborn like Bishop Fellay has made the same mistake : so have Reuters and AP correspondents  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/bishop-donald-sanborn-like-bishop.html

Huffington Post interprets Vatican Council II with the Baltimore error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/huffington-post-interprets-vatican.html

Michael Voris and the CMTV Staff repeat the error of the Baltimore Catechism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/michael-voris-and-cmtv-staff-repeat.html