Monday, October 19, 2015

Ask Rome to make an act of faith

Rome would have to make an act of faith by saying all salvation in Heaven is not visible and known to us on earth and so Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc ) does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since LG 16 etc refer to invisible and not visible cases.
Similarly being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and in invicible ignorance are not explicit but implicit for us, they are not concrete but abstract for us and so they are not defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center in 1949.
Similarly when the Catechism of Pope Pius X (29Q) mentions a man who can be saved in invincible ignorance the Vatican must clarify that this refers to a hypothetical case and not a defacto, real person, known personally. So it is not an exception to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
Similarly when the Baltimore Catechism refers to those saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and in invincible ignorance it must be clarified by Rome that these cases are known only to God, when they exist and they are not objectively seen and known by us human beings in the present times. So they are not exceptions to all needing the baptism of water, with no known exception for salvation and so the pre-1808 ecclesiology has not changed, there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the centuriesd old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades