Friday, September 18, 2015

Franciscans of the Immaculate Commissioner and Superiors Meeting : doctrine is not on the agenda

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The Franciscans of the Immaculate Commissioner Fr. Sabino Ardito SDB is in contact with some of the Superiors of the religious community and it seems the issue of  doctrine is not on the agenda. The Commissioner was to meet the Superiors this month and the meeting is considered private.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate priests who offer only the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) are being forced to accept the new ecclesiology with Lumen Gentium 16 in Vatican Council II being explicit and an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
 The Commissioner nor the Secretary General will clarify if LG 16 can be considered implicit, invisible for them and known only to God.Is this an option open for the Franciscans  of the Immaculate community  in the interpretation of the Vatican Council II ? There is no comment from any one.
This is a doctrinal issue which divides the community and the Commissoner needs to be specific and clear.
The Secretary General of thte F.I and the former Commissioner over some three years would not comment on this doctrinal difference related to accepting Vatican Council II.
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate clarified a few months back that they accept Vatican Council II but not as it was interpreted by the leftist newspapers in Italy. Pope Francis is  their pope they mentioned and they pray for him.
The Sisters did not clarify if LG 16 :-
1. Refers to explicit cases  in 2015 saved in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of their own.
2. Refers to known cases of non Catholics saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
There are no known and visible cases this year of non Catholics saved without 'faith and baptism. Nor were there are known cases last year or the years before.This would be confirmed in agreement by the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate.
May be they could ask the Commissioner if he knows of any exceptions to the old ecclesiology.
 If the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests are allowed to accept Vatican Council II with LG 16 being invisible and hypothetical  for them  then they would be accepting the old ecclesiology and rejecting the new ecclesiology ( based on an irrationality) supported by Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.
This will not be politically acceptable to the Left  nor would this be acceptable to many Friars who offer Mass in Italian.
Since rationality and faith are on the side of priests who offer the TLM with the old ecclesiology, the Commissioner will not want to discuss doctrine.It would not be approved by Cardinal Braz de Avez his superior.
The Friars who offer only the TLM must note that the issue is not Vatican Council II in general but specifically if LG 16, LG 8 ,NA 2, UR 3 etc refer to visible or invisible, explicit or implicit cases in 2015.
Since the real issue in this doctrinal disunity is ecclesiology, it is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So an explicit for us LG 16 means there is a break with EENS.If LG 16 is implicit then Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS.Reason tells us that LG 16  can only be implicit.There is no other choice.
Once the Friars who offer only the TLM are clear on this point they can come out in the open and say that they accept Vatican Council II in which LG 16 is invisible and not visible, and so does not conttadict  the pre- Vatican Council II ecclesiololgy, that of the popes and saints, the Church Councils and the Church Fathers.
Then wait for the Commissioner to respond.He can no more say like Fr. Volpi that the Friars do not accept Vatican Council II .Since they would be accepting Vatican Council II without the the irrationao inference and they would be expecting him to do the same.
-Lionel Andrades


CMTV, Ryan Fitzgerald do not respond : is LG 16 an exception to EENS ?

As expected neither Michael Voris or  Ryan Fitzgerald or any one else at Church Militant TV (CMTV) will not answer if Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Of course they know the answer but they are not going to say it in public.
All CMTV's videos against the SSPX, it seems to me, have as their aim, to make the SSPX accept a Vatican Council II in which LG 16 is an exception to EENS.
For Michael Voris every one does not need to be a card carrying member of the Church. So he means LG 16 is an exception to all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church.
Since LG 16 is an exception to all needing to be card carrying members; all needing to be formal members with 'faith and baptism',CMTV implies that these cases, are known in the present times.They would have to be known to be exceptions  i.e there are visible cases in Detroit or elsewhere, saved in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of their own(LG 16) and without the baptism of water.They will be saved without 'faith and baptism'.
So for CMTV and the contemporary Magisterium LG 16 is an exception to EENS.
This is irrational, fantasy theology and heretical. It contradicts EENS and the Nicene Creed- but it is magisterial. It is magisterial heresy that CMTV has to accept to avoid being slapped with a 'bad excommunication' card, like the one given to Fr. Leonard Feeney and Archbishop Lefebvre.
Leftist forces are probably putting pressure on the CMTV to get the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II with this heresy, just as the FSSP did.CMTV is also not to discuss Vatican Council II in which LG 16 refers to implicit, invisible for us cases which are only known to God.So LG 16 would then not be an exception to EENS.
So Michael Voris does not ask the SSPX to enter the Church accepting LG 16 as being implicit and hypothetical and followed by the baptism of water.
-Lionel Andrades

Michael Voris has compromised and wants the SSPX to do the same

Michael Voris does not say Cardinal Ratzinger was in heresy and schism at the time of the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre

So many thousands of Catholic students in Michigans Catholic schools have to interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality and CMTV keeps quiet

Michael Voris is being allowed to keep his expensive studio since he is not discussing how the school children in Detroit are taught that there are people in Heaven now, who are there without  Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and they are visible and known on earth.They are visible exceptions  to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) , which says all need to be formal members of the Church for salvation.So every one it is concluded does not need to convert into the Catholic Church.
School children  are taught officially by informed educators ,that there are visible exceptions extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They are also exceptions  to Vatican Council II which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.
Bishop Arturo Cepeda
Dr. Brian DoughertyThey are taught that these cases are seen in the flesh exceptions to the Nicene Creed which states there is one baptism for the forgiveness of sin.So now there are three or more known baptisms and not one.
Michael Voris is not discussing this lie being taught to Catholic school children by the Archdiocese of Detroit, where the Church Militant studios are located.The Archdiocese teaches school children  that there are persons saved in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of their own(LG 16) and also with the baptism of desire/ implicit desire (LG 14). The diocese implies that these cases exclude the baptism of water.How would they know? Who is the exception to all needing the baptism of water in 2015?
The Archdiocese of Detroit has an option and could teach Catholic school children that these cases are hypothethical and theoretical. So they cannot be exceptions in 2015 to all needing to enter the Church to avoid Hell. Also these theoretical for us cases could include  the baptism of water, since this the general means of salvation(CCC 1257).Finally, they could be taught that no one, past or present, has seen any one in Heaven, without the baptism of water.No  pope or cardinal has the ability to see the dead-saved. No one claims this gift.
The Good Thief on the Cross could have been baptised before or after he died.St. Francis Xavier and the saints have observed that people returned from the dead only to baptised by them with water.St.Thomas Aquinas says God will send a preacher to the man in the forest in ignorance of the Gospel.
Catholic faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary means of salvation(Redemptoris Missio 55 etc).
The Archdiocese has the option to  teach that no one in present day Detroit, Michigan, USA  has seen any of these cases.Neither could any one have seen these cases in the past.
They will not teach this rationality. Since it would mean the Magisterium is teaching false doctrine  which is objectively  wrong.The contemporary Magisterium is teaching false doctrine. This is a fact which can be verified all over the world from the Archdiocese of Detroit schools to the Ecclesiology classes at the Pontifical universities in Rome.
If the Archdiocese did teach what was rational and objective i.e there are no visible cases  of persons in Heaven this year saved without the baptism of water. So these cases cannot be inferred to  be exceptions to EENS, then the ecclesiology of the Archdiocese  would be that of the SSPX and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate( who offer only the Traditional Latin Mass).The ecclesiology would not be that of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.
CMTV like the FSSP and the Archdiocese of Detroit have  accepted the compromised version of the Catholic Faith ( for survival!)  and are forcing it upon the SSPX( also useful for survival).
So many thousands of Catholic students in Michigan's Catholic schools, during religion class, are being taught a falsehood and Michael Voris has his head down  and eyes looking away from this issue.
-Lionel Andrades