Tuesday, August 18, 2015

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Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology it's the only rational option : ask Pope Francis to do the same


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In spite of the all the confusion which has come from the Baltimore Catechism (1885) into the Catholic Church, we can still affirm Vatican Council II according to the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Since the liberal Americanists overlooked one thing: there are no known exceptions to EENS in the present times, there are no exceptions to EENS for example, in 2015.
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BUT WHERE ON EARTH ARE THERE EXCEPTIONS TO EENS IN 2015?
So a liberal can say that being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), baptism  of desire (BOD) and baptism of blood (BOB)  are exceptions to EENS- but he does not know of any one in the present times saved as such.End of the matter!
This is the point that the Franciscans of the Immaculate must keep in mind.It is related to ecclesiology.
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HYPOTHETICAL CASES OF THE PAST CANNOT BE EXCEPTIONS TO EENS TODAY
Also we cannot know if any person in the past was an exception to EENS.Since no one in the past could go to Heaven and confirm it. It's as simple as that.
So if some one says St.Emerentiana or someone else is a saint without the baptism of water it is speculation.There is no way this claim can be made. Since there is no way to go to Heaven and know about it.
Any way a case from the past cannot be an exception in 2015 to all needing faith and baptism to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
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VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL NEED FAITH AND BAPTISM, SO DOES THE DOGMA EENS.
So for you, me and everybody else Vatican Council II says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 can only be theoretical cases for us.They would be followed by the baptism of water.Since this is the dogmatic teaching and we personally do not know of any exception. In Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 we have an affirmation of the pre-1885 traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.Affirm it Franciscans of the Immaculate.Make it known to the Apostolic Commissioner.Ask him also to endorse this aspect of Vatican Council II.
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OLD ECCLESIOLOGY IN SYNC WITH VATICAN COUNCIL II
 1) The priests of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) , founded by Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I. can can now offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the same ecclesiology , as it was offered in pre-1885 times. Now they have an option, they are doing this in agreement Vatican Council II.
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REJECT THE SALESIAN COMMISSIONERS IRRATIONALITY
Meanwhile they are rejecting the ecclesiology of the Salesian Apostolic Commissioner, Pope Francis and the Vatican Curia which is based on LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc being explicit instead of implicit, known instead of unknown, visible instead of being invisible.They must continue to reject this irrational interpretation where ever they find it.
So they can affirm Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology and they can ask the Apostolic Commissioner to do the same in public if he seeks a reconciliation.

LG 16,LG 8,UR 3, NA2 ARE ALWAYS INVISIBLE FOR US 
2) They can affirm that LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA2 etc are always hypothetical cases , theoretical possibilities, accepted de jure, in principle. These cases are always invisible for us human beings.They cannot be seen in the flesh and personally known since they are in Heaven.They are always implicit, invisible and theoretical for us and the Franciscans can also ask the Apostolic Commissioner and the Vatican Curia if this is also true for them and they are willing to admit it in public.
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LG 16, UR 3 ETC BEING VISIBLE LEADS TO A HERMENEUTIC OF RUPTURE
3.They can affirm that  Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation so all who are theoretically saved with LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc would have 'faith and baptism'-  since they are saved.
Franciscans of the Immaculate you would be accepting Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of continuity; a continuity with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.You would be rejecting  the hermeneutic of rupture, which comes when LG 16,LG 8, NA 2,UR 3 are considered  explicit,objective, visible cases in the present times. This would be irrational, non traditional and heretical.Yet this is the interpretation of the Salesians, Franciscan Conventuals,Frianciscan Capuchins and the Vatican Curia. It must be rejected of course.

DO NOT COUPLE, LINK, CONNECT EENS WITH BOD OR BOB
So  accept the possibility of persons being saved with  implicit desire and martyrdom but do not  'couple' them; do not link them to EENS. There is no connection between EENS and BOB and BOD  or unknown cases of LG 16,LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc.There cannot be a link between EENS and non existent, hypothetical cases.This is the mistake of the Prefects of the Vatican Congregations.Expose it and reject it.
If there were explicit cases, objectively known then this link could be made with EENS.

SALVATION IN HEAVEN IS ALWAYS INVISIBLE FOR US: THIS IS A GIVEN
  Franciscans of the Immaculate  affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with all references to salvation being implicit, invisible hypothetical possibilities, known only to God.So they are not exceptions to traditional ecclesiology, associated with the Traditional Latin Mass.In this way ecclesiology will not have changed since there are no  known exceptions to the dogma EENs mentioned in Vatican Council II.
This must be your rational postion. Ask the Vatican  for a clarification and a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades


Americanists responsible for error in catechisms?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/americanists-responsible-for-error-in.html