Sunday, February 15, 2015

That phrase!

No love for the SSPX. And Simon Rafe shows it. Even if in the past the old Mass was given the yes-nod by Michael Voris,he does not now want only the old Mass.Times have changed. 
Now there is a stay away sign put in front of the old Mass.The sign is there in and out of the Church.Many do not want it.The sign really says 'no old Mass with that dogma'.So Voris really wants to say that he is not an SSPX fan.
Like the U.S bishops under the watch of the Enemy, Michael Voris  does not want to be seen or heard with that sign.He does not want to talk about that dogma.It is the one which infers that there are only Catholics in Heaven.All must be Catholic to be saved.
Simon Rafe has put away the dogma with his known exceptions.He knows of people in the USA who were not baptised with water.They are in Heaven.Some of them had only the desire for the baptism of water.They did not know about Jesus and the Church.He knows these persons one to one.Face to face.He can name them. So he infers there are known exceptions to the dogma, which people link to the old Mass.
So for Michael Voris all need to enter the Church and for Simon Rafe all, except for...
Anyway, Michael will not use the words 'the dogma' or 'that dogma'.He is under watch. He will say outside the Church there is no salvation but slip past  that phrase.
They both have a new way to look at the old dogma.It comes from Boston in '49.The new-look dogma was made with make-believe thinking. The stuff of Alice in Wonderland.They call it theology. Michael and Simon use it.
It's like Alice's world. Since, they can see men and women in Heaven who are also seen on earth.These people went to Heaven with no baptism of water.So the dogma was now dead. Since the dogma says all need faith and baptism to go to Heaven.Here there are known exceptions in the USA.They look just like Kasper the friendly one.
In Rome priests who do not say  yes to that dogma , can offer the old Mass. The old Mass was not there for only the SSPX .
Though, they also have to see Vatican Council II through the mirror, the looking glass of Alice in Wonderland.It is done with Marchetti stamped theology.Simon and Michael use it.And don't know about it.
If they do learn about it and stay away from Marchetti's dangerous insight, the Archdiocese of Detroit will be out to get them.Since Vatican Council II will then be Alice-free.This would make Vatican Council II 'ideological' for Pope Francis and we know how much our pope loves the old Council.
So now things are good for Michael and Simon.They rubber stamp Marchetti's Vatican Council II like Pope Francis. Things are bad for the SSPX. They cannot see a  Vatican Council II without the Marchetti theory.
It's just that phrase -and how you see it!
-Lionel Andrades

St.Emerentiana is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version, in 2015

Comments from the blogpost.1

Lionel said: "Every human creature in the present times needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation! 

Yes, this us what the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says.
This is also the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7).

Those who are taught or not taught, those who know or do not know about the Church, will be decided by Jesus".
It means they are not known to us and they are known only to Jesus. So they do not contradict the dogma nor Vatican Council II.


as compared to: ◦“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

All need to be Catholic. Yes.

The pronouncement by Pope Innocent III is the perfect decree and of course it is directed only to those that are alive.

Yes. It does not say that we can know who 'knows' or does not know. It refers to all.
Those who know about the Church need to enter and those who do not know(theoretically for us), need to enter. Those who do not know have Original Sin and commit mortal sins e.g natives and pagans in the jungles.

It was because Cardinal Marchetti assumed that there was known salvation outside the Church ; we knew those who were exceptions, i.e those who did not have the baptism of water and was saved, he inferred that only those who knew need to enter the Church, as compared to those in invincible ignorance who could be saved.

So this line was inserted in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 with respect to all needing 'faith and baptism'.)


It certainly is not directed to the deceased.

The decased are not exceptions to the dogma in the present times. They are not exceptions as Marchetti believed they were.For him the deceased were visible exceptions to the dogma.

There are problems with your quote and by example the Church has confirmed Sainthood on Catechumens/Martyrs who are certainly known to us.
They are deceased. So they are not exceptions to the dogma. 
Those who are saved with the baptism of desire or blood are not an issue. It is only when it is inferred that they are exceptions to the dogma that the problem arise. It would mean they are alive to be exceptions.Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani made this objective error.

They were not possibilities but confirmed facts.
Yes and if there were hundreds of them they would be deceased and so not relevant to the dogmatic teaching in 2015.
St.Emerentiana is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version, in 2015.SSPX and FSSP priests usually make this objective error.

It is not for you to question or speculate how God and Jesus welcomed them into Heaven.

However Jesus may welcome a deceased person,it is not relevant to the dogmatic teaching. Since people who are deceased cannot be exceptions or relevant to the dogma in the present times (2015).
-Lionel Andrades


Every one needs to be a Catholic : Those who are taught or not taught, those who know or do not know about the Church, will be decided by Jesus.