Saturday, January 31, 2015

Rorate Caeili, Life Sites, NCR,EWTN prefer the evolved version of the dogma

"Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.” - Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri

Cardinal Baldisseri on the Synod on the FamilyFollowing his presentation, Cardinal Baldisseri fielded questions. The first came from a representative from a Venezuelan-based family organization, who wished to remain anonymous. The representative’s question was more of a statement.

He expressed “concern” and “shock” over Cardinal Kasper’s proposal at last February’s Extraordinary Consistory of Cardinals, in which Cardinal Kasper argued that the Catholic Church ought to study the Eastern Orthodox Church’s allowance of divorce and remarriage. Cardinal Kasper speculated that divorced and civilly remarried Catholics might be allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist, after a penitential process in the Catholic Church.

Cardinal Baldisseri responded by saying, “We shouldn’t be shocked that there is a different position from the ‘common doctrine.’”
He cited the example of the many contrasting positions that were in evidence at Vatican II. “Therefore, there’s no reason to be scandalized that there is a cardinal or a theologian saying something that’s different than the so-called ‘common doctrine.’ This doesn’t imply a going against. It means reflecting. Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.”
The cardinal added that it is “right that there is a reaction” and that “this is exactly what we want today. We want to discuss things, but not in order to call things into doubt, but rather to view it in a new context, and with a new awareness. Otherwise, what’s theology doing but repeating what was said in the last century, or 20 centuries ago?”

Theology, he said, “is meant to be investigated” and therefore “we shouldn’t be concerned.”-Cardinal Baldisseri
  http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/article/top-official-of-synod-on-the-family-counters-conservatives-arguments-5250287669346304 
 Diane Montagna is Rome correspondent for Aleteia’s English edition
 
"Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.” - Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri
 
Neither does Rorate Caeili, LifeSites or traditionalist websites want to admit that doctrine was changed in 1949, dogma was changed, when it was assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This was the new theology, the new evolved doctrine which was included in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 etc).
 
 
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The text in Vatican Council II (AG 14,AG 7) is harmless and innocent but it is the inference which goes with it, that changes the traditional teaching on the dogma. This is the inference used by New Catholic at Rorate Caeili, John Henry Weston and Hilary White at LifeSites, Edward Pentin, Patrick Archbold, Jimmy Akins and Mark Shea at the National Catholic Register, the apologists at EWTN, the SSPX in general, Cardinal Walter Kasper , the Vatican Curia and the popes since Pius XII.
The dogma on salvation was completely changed and Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for speaking the truth.
Now if one is a Feeneyite it is considered anti-Semitic by the Jewish Left who originally supported Cardinal Cushing in Boston. There  are threats today if you are a Feeneyite. So Rorate Caeili, Life Sites, NCR,EWTN etc are protecting their interests and not affirming the dogma.They prefer the evolved version. It is politically correct.They are not willing to say that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite when the Cardinal Marchetti premise is not used in the interpretation.
-Lionel Andrades

Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism

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Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and School in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism.
I have received an e-mail from him yesterday (Jan.30,2014) in response to the report I sent his office at Brescia.1 He writes that I should study the subject a little bit and that theologically and according to the Magisterium ( teaching authority of the Church) it is not all what I mean.2
 
He  cannot be blamed for not being aware that the dogma has been defined by three Church Councils , since there is still no translation of the dogma into Italian.3
Also Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger did not mention the dogma in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.The text of the dogma was never  published.
 
The magisterium  also accepted the irrational reasoning of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.It  assumed that those persons  saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to objective cases. In other words persons in Heaven are seen and known defacto in the present times to be relevant to the dogma.So Pope John  Paul II, like the popes since Pius XII, presumed the baptism of desire etc were known, visible in the flesh exceptions to the dogma. They were exceptions to the interpretation of the Church Councils, popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
 
The result is that the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 only mentions an 'aphorism' and not a defined dogma.
 
So the Director of the Office for Education in Brescia corrects me and says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism.
 
For the Office of Education in Brescia  theologically and magisterially, there are known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of St.Maximillian Kolbe in the 1930's and the saints over the centuries. They were all wrong for him! Since for the saints there were no exceptions.
If Fr.Raffaele Maiolini would admit that the Marchetti letter of 1949 made an objective mistake then it would mean the saints are still correct after Vatican Council II and it is the present magisterium which is wrong.
 
Fr.Raffele is a professor of theology at the Università Cattolica del Sacre Cuore.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
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Ilaici cattolici dovrebbero contattare i vescovi ausiliari di Roma: Vicariato insegna una falsità  
 
 
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Per me dovresti farti vedere.
Ma da uno bravo.
E studiare anche un po’.
Sia per scrivere in italiano corretto.
Sia per sapere cosa significhi teologicamente e magisterialmente l’assioma (non il dogma) extra ecclesiam nulla salus; non vuol dire affatto quanto intendi tu.
don Raffaele Maiolini
direttore
Ufficio per l’Educazione, la Scuola e l’Università
Diocesi di Brescia

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http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation