Thursday, January 29, 2015

Attenzione famiglia Mannelli


I membri della famiglia Manelli nel Francescani dell Immculata devono usare una falsa premessa e la conclusione nell'interpretazione dei documenti magisteriali, tra cui il Concilio Vaticano II?
Definire le mie termine:

Quale premessa?

La premessa irrazionale è "I morti sono visibili a noi sulla terra".

Quale conclusione?
La conclusione è perchè i morti sono visibili a noi sulla terra, coloro che sono morti, ma ora salvata in Cielo con il battesimo di desiderio o in ignoranza invincibile, sono esplicite (visibile nella carne). Casi di battesimo de desiderio ecc. sono visibili a noi in loro corpo fisica.
Dal sono presumibilmente visibili e conosciuti in casi personali loro sono eccezioni alla tradizionale interpretazione del dogma Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.
Loro referiscono a persone che hanno ricevuto salvezza e ora sono in Cielo. Quindi la conclusione è che sono eccezioni per tutti ricevere il battesimo di acqua nel 2015 per andare in Paradiso e i evitare l'inferno (per la salvezza).

Chi e la teologia ?
Così il posto -1949 teologia dice che tutti bisogna entrare nella Chiesa cattolica ad eccezione di quelli in ignoranza invincibile o avete il battesimo di desiderio.
Defacto vi sono noti eccezioni all'interpretazione di Don.Leonard Feeney di Boston.


Quale Tradizione.
Pre- 1949 Tradizione Cattolica, sulla salvezza (soteriologia) dice che c'è salvezza esclusivo nella Chiesa cattolica. Le tre dogmi su Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, definiti da tre Concili della Chiesa non menzionano alcuna eccezione. Il testo del dogma non menziona il battesimo di desiderio o di essere salvato in ignoranzae.Non e mai citato ad esempio in Cantate Dominio, Concilio di Firenze 1441.

Anche Mystici Corporis e il Concilio di Trento menzionano implicito desiderio, ecc, ma non indicano che questi casi sono noti a noi, ad essere eccezioni alla dogma .Essi non affermano che ci sono eccezioni al dogma.

Eppure, con la falsa premessa e conclusione il Concilio di Trento, il Catechismo di Pio X, ecc vengono interpretati.

Se Papa Francesco utilizza la premessa irrazionale e arriva a una conclusione irrazionale,è un errore oggettivo, anche quando lui è il papa. E 'un fatto che non possiamo vedere persone in Cielo salvati con il battesimo di desiderio. Non sappiamo nessuno quest'anno salvato senza il battesimo dell'acqua. Così come possono questi casi essere postulata come eccezioni
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Cardinale Braz de Avez, Cardinale Gerhard Muller e Don Fidenzio Volpe OFM, utilizzare un falso ragionamento (falsa premessa e conclusione).Loro impongono questa ragionamento sulle cattolici in generale e della comunità religiosa dei Francescani dell'Immacolata (FI) in particolare.Questa menzogna è la basa della coercizione e della persecuzione. E 'illegale in Italia. 1.Don Fidenzio Volpi ,il Commissario della FI, assume ci sono note eccezioni nel 2015 per il dogma che insegna che e neccesario che tutti ricevere il battesimo di acqua per salvezza. Questi eccezione per lui rifiuta il dogma.

2. Egli presuppone ci sono documenti magisteriali prima del 1949 che identificano queste eccezioni note al dogma. Non ce ne sono.

3. Per lui il Concilio Vaticano II (LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 ecc) si oppone extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Concilio Vaticano II diventa una rottura con il passato quando usa questo fantasiaragionamento, i eccezioni conosciute. Perché i cattolici devono accettare il Concilio Vaticano II con questa irrazionalità? Perché F.I bisogna accettare questo?

 4.Papa Francesco vuole che i Francescani dell'Immacolata accettare la Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 mentre ipotizzando che il battesimo di desiderio è esplicita per noi invece di implicito? Vuole ciò che è invisibile agli accettabile come invisibile.

5. Egli vuole allora questa stessa irrazionalità da utilizzare nella interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II.

Il Santo Ufficio 1949 ha fatto un errore quando si presume che il desiderio implicito e di essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile erano eccezioni alla interpretazione letterale del dogma.

 6. I Francescani dell'Immacolata hanno affermare il Concilio Vaticano II, assumendo che ogni salvezza in cielo è visibile sulla terra. Poi
deve essere erroneamente concluso che questi casi "visibili" sono eccezioni alla dogma ecclesiam nulla salus in più e il resto della Tradizione.

 7.Puo F.I accetta Concilio Vaticano II e tutti i documenti magisteriali senza assumere la salvezza in cielo è fisicamente visibile sulla terra? In questo modo la F.I può affermare la tradizione e anche il Concilio Vaticano II. 

8.Per favore chiedere a Papa Francesco e la Curia Vaticana ad approvare prima un Concilio Vaticano II, senza l'irrazionale inference.Anche chiedere i dissidenti F.I a fare lo stesso.
-Lionel Andrades

 
 
 
 
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Defining my terms:
what premise ?
The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".
 What conclusion ?
The conclusion is since the dead are visible to us on earth those who are dead but now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are explicit ( visible in the flesh) . Cases of the baptism of desire etc are visible to us in the flesh.Since they are allegedly visible and known in personal cases they exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. These are referring to cases of persons saved without the baptism of water aand who are in Heaven. So the conclusion is that they are exceptions for all needing the baptism of water in 2015 to go to Heaven and avoid Hell ( for salvation).
What theology ?
So the post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.
Defacto there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
What Tradition ?
Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils do not mention any exception. The text of the dogma does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.No where is this mentioned for example in Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.
Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma .They do not state that there are exceptions to the dogma.
Yet with the false premise and false conclusion this is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.
If Pope Francis uses the irrational premise and comes to an irrational conclusion it still is an objective error, even if he is the pope. It is a fact of life that we cannot see persons in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire. We do not know any one this year saved without the batism of water. So so how can these cases be postulated as exceptions?



Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome : Vicariate teaches a falsehood

Monsignor Lorenzo  Leuzzi, Auxiliary Bishop of Rome and Chaplain of the Italian Parliament on October 29,2014 had a meeting with Mr.Stefano Bisi the Grand Master of the Freemasons in Italy,1  even though the Church teaches that there should be no cooperation with the Masons.
The Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left want the Catholic Church to give up its teaching on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Those who support the dogma are being threathened  with leftist laws.So bishops of the Rome Vicariate have been calling up priests who make 'this mistake'. There must be no public affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus they are told. This policy was being followed by Pope Benedict XVI.
Since Cardinal Agostono Vaillani, the Vicar General at the Rome Vicariate has to accomodate the Masons and others who oppose the Church, and support pro-Satan values, the Vicariate accepts the Marchetti letter. It says those who are saved with the baptism of desire, for example, are explicit exceptions to all needing the baptism of water .So  it is concluded that this is a contradiction to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is irrational but it gets rid of the dogma. This would be approved by Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni and Stefano Bisi present at the meeting with Bishop Lorenzo Leuzzi.
 
The Vicariate interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise. It's political.Since 2010 I have been informing them via this blog and they do not want to do anything. For the cardinal and his bishops at the St.John Lateran University premises, the dead are physically visible on earth.For Cardinal Vaillani, Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) becomes an objective exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Th Vicariate  knowingly uses a falsehood to get rid of the dogma, which would be an obstacle to cooperation among religions , in a future one world religion, with a new image of Jesus and the Catholic Church.
 
Catholic  priests in Italy have said that there are NO known exceptions to the dogma.2 Yet to satisfy the political left, including the Partito Democratico, whose reperesentative  was present at that meeting in October, the Vicariate  is  promoting an objective lie  to do away with the traditional dogma.
So now priests are allowed to proclaim Jesus, as the Saviour, but without the necessity of the Church.The Franciscans of the Immaculate for example, had  affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They now have to interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, to have their situation regularised.Their seminary is still closed and the seminarians have to study at pontifical universities in Rome where they interpret Vatican Council II with the approved fantasy premise.They now offer lay Catholics a strange proposition, that of being able to see the dead.So Vatican  Council II becomes a break with the past when it really is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome.We Catholics must not be forced to change our religious beliefs due to pressure from the  enemies of the Church, now in power. The Vicariate bishops and Cardinal Agostino Vaillani have an obligation not to teach a falsehood.They should not pretend that it is a traditional church teaching.This is also the lie they approve for students at pontifical universities in Rome and lay centres of theology in the city, which they oversee.4.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP, Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are


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MANELLI FAMILIES STOP THE COERCION : ITS ILLEGAL

If you consider the Holy Office or Fr.Leonard Feeney in heresy determines how you interpret Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/if-you-consider-holy-office-or.html

Fr.Frederico Lombardi does not address doctrinal questions on Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/frfrederico-lombardi-does-not-address.html#links
 
Understanding of Vatican Council II which is being forced upon the Fransciscans of the Immaculate is irrational http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/understanding-of-vatican-council-ii.html

Franciscans of the Immaculate officially being forced to accept heresy
 
 
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GREGORIAN UNIVERSITY MEETING JEWISH LEFT STANDARDS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/gregorian-university-meeting-jewish.html
 
Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions
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Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) still assumes on its USA website that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma

Fr.Massimiliano dei Gasparri F.I former Rector of the Church of the Annunziata Rome said that to interpret implicit faith ( baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc) as referring to de facto salvation in the present times in personal cases would be a heresy.The popes interpreted implicit faith he said not as de facto salvation. We cannot judge de facto who has the baptism of desire and so does not need the baptism of water and will be saved.
 
Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP in Rome agrees with this Franciscans of the Immaculate priest. He says there are no exceptions in 2015 to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
Father Pedro Luis de Huidobro, the chaplain of the University of the Sacred Cross(Santa Croce), the Opus Dei university in Rome, agreed there could be persons who have not had the Gospel preached to them and who are in invincible ignorance. These persons can be saved and we do not know any such case. So they are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are not explicit exceptions.  
He said all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation in the present times and there are no known exceptions.Invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither to Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
 
Fr.Stefano Visintin OSB, Dean of the Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical University St.Anselm, Rome also says there are no known exceptions.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are possibilities, he said, but are not known exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation.
 
 
 
 Yet the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) still assumes on its USA website 1 that the baptism of desire etc is an exception to the dogma. They will not admit that the Marchetti Letter made an objective mistake and Archbishop Lefebvre did not notice it.
 Is Feeneyism Catholic
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I recently sent Fr.Francois Laisney a message through the SSPX USA office.Fr.Laisney has written a book Is Feeneyism Catholic ? 2 in which he assumes the baptism of desire refers to known cases in the present times.His new theology is  based on this irrationality.It is the same with the liberals. It is heresy.
The Marchetti letter was in heresy aside from being irrational.
Fr.Laisney's book is being sold by the Angelus Press of the SSPX USA and is part of the religious formation of SSPX priests.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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TO INTERPRET IMPLICIT FAITH (BAPTISM OF DESIRE ETC) AS REFERRING TO DE FACTO SALVATION WOULD BE HERESY- Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari F.I, Superior and Italian priest in Rome http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2010/04/to-interpret-implicit-faith-baptism