Friday, January 16, 2015

Edward Pentin is asking us to accept a lie and proclaim a falsehood: the same error is being forced on the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Manelli family

Edward Pentin whether he knows it or not, is asking us all  to accept a lie and proclaim a falsehood. The same falsehood is being forced upon the Franciscans of the Immaculate by the Vatican
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 Mariarosaria De Mucci,the lawyer of the brothers and sisters of Fr.Stefano Manelli FFI, the founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, did not clarify it last year.Perhaps she  and the brothers and sisters of the Manelli family did not understand what I was saying, just as Edward Pentin says he does not.
 
The brothers and sisters of the Manelli family had legally asked Fr.Fidenzio Volpi , the Commissioner for a clarification and they got it. None of them were involved in any financial wrong doing said Fr.Fidenzio Volpi according to reports on line.
 
The problem still exists.The Apostolic Commissioner , is forcing the Manelli family and the rest of the FFI to accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with a lie. Even the lay members of the Manelli family, good Catholics,  have to accept this lie.
The  religious and lay persons, associated with the Franciscans of the Immaculate , have to accept the following lies , which is supported by Cardinal Gerhard Muller in the interview with Edward Pentin. It can be read by them on the Vatican website.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20120913_interview-muller_en.html

(It has also been translated into Italian and posted on a pro-SSPX website.
http://chiesaepostconcilio.blogspot.it/2013/01/intervista-del-national-catholic.html )

   
1. All salvation (LG 16- saved in invincible ignorance, UR 3- imperfect communion with the Church etc) referred to in Vatican Council II is explicit, known, visible in the flesh and defacto in 2015.In other words people in Heaven can be seen on earth to be exceptions to Tradition. This is a lie.This lie is promoted by the National Catholic Register  the Vatican website and the website of Edward Pentin.
2. The dead now in Heaven saved with invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is a lie. It is a fact that the dead are not visible.Yet the Franciscans of the Immaculate have to accept this nonsense. The interview of Cardinal Muller shows that Fr.Fidenzio Volpi must accept this teaching and enforce it for the Franciscans of the Immaculate.It is official. In this way Vatican Council II becomes a break with the past.The Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians for example, whose seminary is still closed, had to project Vatican Council II as a break with the past.They had todo it  by using this lie, in the interpretation of the Council-texts.This is the common irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II in the pontifical universities and seminaries of Rome, where they were sent to study.
3.Implicit for us baptism of desire  becomes explicit for us baptism of desire. Invisible for us being saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) is visible for us on earth.This is false and irrational. It is a lie.Catholic apologists in Italy(Gherardini,Cavalcoli, De Mattei, Gnerre,Lanzetta etc) do not understand this. So they are unable to help the Manelli family members who have no training in theology.Those who have a training in theology as do the National Catholic Register staff writers and bloggers are not willing to identify this lie.
4.So the Franciscans of the Immaculate have to rubber stamp a Vatican Council II which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They have to suggest that they can see the dead-saved. This is a lie.This is a lie which the Vatican Curia expects them to proclaim. It is also expected that the brothers and sisters of Fr.Stefano Manelli,lay Catholics and members of the Third Order proclaim this irrationality in the name of the Catholic faith.
5. The religious sisters and priests , who belong to the Manelli family, are forced to make a Profession of Faith with the Nicene Creed.They must interpret it with a falsehood. When they say on Sundays, at Mass, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' and  mean three or more known baptisms. This includes known, visible for them baptisms of desire and blood .The irrationality must be extended to Vatican Council II's  imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc. This is absurd.
This is all irrational and not the doctrine of the Catholic Church.Yet it is official with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Cardinal Craz de Aviz's  Congregation for the Religious.


The proof is there on the Vatican website in the interview with Cardinal Gerhard Muller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
 
Mariarosaria De Mucci must read it and ask Fr.Fidenzio Volpi why does the Manelli family have to accept the following.The Manelli family must ask this of him, not to begin any litigation but only so that he will reply officially:
a. All salvation or condemnation referred to in Vatican Council II and known only to God, is also known to them all.
b.That the dead now saved in Heaven are known to the Manellis on earth.
c. Implicit for us baptism of desire is explicit for the religious sisters and priests from the Manelli family.
d. That Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma on exclusive salvation since the Manelli family members and the rest of the FFI can see the dead!
e. Why must the Nicene Creed for them refer to known baptism of desire etc.
Fr.Fidenzio Volpi must be asked if he wants the Manelli family and the FFI to accept all these lies which can be read on the Vatican website interview with Cardinal Muller by Edward Pentin.


The Vatican needs to clarify :-
I.All salvation (LG 16- saved in invincible ignorance, UR 3- imperfect communion with the Church etc) and condemnation (LG 14- those who know and do not enter the Church) referred to in Vatican Council II is implicit, invisible and hypothetical for us in 2015.

II. The dead now in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc are not known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
III. Implicit for us baptism of desire is always implicit. Invisible for us being saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) is always invisible for us on earth.
IV. Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The dead-saved are not visible to us.
V. When they say 'I believe in one baptism for the forgivess of sin' they are referring to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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February 6, 2014

Manelli lawyers must clarify with Apostolic Commissioner Fr.Fidenzio Volpi

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/manelli-lawyers-must-clarify-with.html

July 7, 2014

No acknowledgment from the Vatican Press Office to 12 questions :Franciscans of the Immaculate

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/no-acknowldgement-from-vatican-press.html



January 16, 2015
Catholics threatened by their bishop or the Vatican

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/catholics-threathened-by-their-bishop.html 

 
EWTN's website like the NCR editorial policy assumes the dead in Heaven are living and visible exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney
 
 
Dan Burke,Jeanette DeMelo' s NCR Editorial policy promotes a lie




http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/dan-burkejeanette-demelo-s-ncr.html


Martyrdom

Catholics threatened by their bishop or the Vatican

I received an e-mail from Edward Pentin saying that he did not understand what I was saying so could not comment or deny it.  He asked that I  refrain from casting aspersions and unjustified insinuations against him and his colleagues, in public.
I sent him more material and told him I could meet him in Rome if he needed any clarification.May be he is still studying the material.
No one from EWTN or the National Catholic Register (NCR) has commented on the error in the National Catholic Register report now placed on the Vatican website and which Edward Pentin has  also proudly linked to his own website.
The interview with Cardinal Gerhard Muller has factual errors.
1.It assumes there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For him  persons in Heaven are known on earth, to be explicit exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.(This is the visible dead theory, the dead man walking and visible theory.It is pure Cushingism)
2.Since these persons now in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), a good conscience (LG 16) etc are known to us on earth, they become visible and real exceptions to the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.The dogma tells us that all need the baptism of water, defacto,in the present times. So Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc according to the NCR interview.
3.Since these persons now in Heaven are also seen and are visible in the flesh, every one in 2015 does not need to be a defacto member of the Catholic Church for salvation. This is the new theological conclusion.There is salvation outside the Church and Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong for Cardinal Muller and Edward Pentin.
Edward Pentin has a Masters Degree in theology. This fantasy theology based on a false premise is acceptable to him.It is also approved and promoted  by the other Staff Writers and bloggers at the National Catholic Register.
The interview of Cardinal Muller follows the EWTN policy on the Marchetti Letter.1
Cardinal Francesco Marchetti-Selvagiani and Cardinal Richard Cushing assumed that people in Heaven were known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma by Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Catholic professors, members of the then St.Benedict Center, were expelled from Boston College.Fr.Leonard Feeney was expelled from the Jesuit community.Since they could not see any known exceptions in Boston to the traditional interpretation of the dogma,visible to the ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Boston Archdiocese.
Neither could Mother Angelica. The founder of EWTN had placed the definitions of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, on the EWTN website. I remember.
It was removed.It was replaced with an article of Fr.William Most submitted by the liberal Jeff Mirus, of Trinity Communications/Catholic Culture.He has also placed a report on the internet, Tragic Errors of Fr.Leonard Feeney in which it is assumed there are known exceptions ( now in Heaven) to the dogma, defined by three Church  Councils and disapproved by his Jewish Left supporters.
So this is the policy  followed by Edward Pentin,Jeanette  DeMelo and Dan Burke at the National Catholic Register.2 Due to threats from the political left they have to say that people in Heaven are known exceptions on earth to the traditonal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Does it want to make you laugh? For the last few years I have been writing on this same subject but they say they do not understand what I am saying or they will not comment.Catholics are being threathened by their bishops or the Vatican.
I had a similar experience with Cardinal Francis Arinze (05.03.2008).He said that on Good Friday all Catholics will pray that Jews, Muslims and others enter the Catholic Church, in general, to go to Heaven and to avoid Hell. Cardinal Arinze,at that time was the Prefect, of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Vatican.He said that the Revised Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews, formulated by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI is for the conversion, of the Jews, through Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
This is our Catholic Faith, he said and that others (non-Catholics) are free to pray as they want. He was speaking with me outside his office at the Vatican. He pointed out that when one has the Faith, one wants to share it.
The next time however when I saw Cardinal Arinze at St.Peters Basilica, face to face,  he looked at me with a scowl. Did  Pope Benedict XVI pull him up for that statement he gave me ?
Cardinal Angelo Amato, Prefect for the Congregation for the Cause of the Saints has said inter religious dialogue should not exclude proclamation. He was speaking at a conference on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue organised in Emilia Romagna, Italy according to Avvenire ( Amato: il dialogo non exclude l'nnuncio ' Stefano Andrini da Bologna Dec3.2009,Avvenire p.16 Catholica) .He said mission and proclamation should be based on Vatican Council II. He specifically mentioned Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7. That was the last time he was allowed to speak on this subject. He told the group Papas boys that he would meet them and talk about Mission. If he did do that it was never reported.
Cardinal Tauran had a priest from his office transferred post haste when he answered two questions  and I quoted him on this blog. He said there were no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II did not contradict the Feeneyite version of the dogma.He did not say it in these partcular words, but this was the import of his message.There was no comment from Cardinal Tauran's office.They did not want to discuss the two questions or bring attention to it.
Since then, they continue the 'drama' about Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 
 
 
 
1.
EWTN's website like the NCR editorial policy assumes the dead in Heaven are living and visible exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney
 
2.
Dan Burke,Jeanette DeMelo' s NCR Editorial policy promotes a lie

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/dan-burkejeanette-demelo-s-ncr.html