Friday, January 9, 2015

C'è una guerra interna all'islam e i politici occidentali non difendono la cultura europea di Samir Khalil Samir


http://chiesaepostconcilio.blogspot.it/2015/01/ce-una-guerra-interna-allislam-e-i.html#more

Mercy vs. Justice


Archdiocese of Trento could call attention to the Kaaba being made of stone and the Quran of paper

A 67 year old Morroccan destroyed a statue of our lady and damaged the altar at the church Santa Maria Assunta in Cles, in the Archdiocese of Trento,Italy.May be he thought we worship idols.
Sunnis and other Muslims go on a pilgrimage to Mecca, and circle a large stone.Even the statue of Our Lady is made of stone, just like the stone- Kaaba, draped in black.We know that the statue is not an idol, as much as Muslims would not consider the Kaaba a stone idol.
What was his objection to the Blessed Mother ?
When Muslims begin and end their prayers they recite the name of a man. Mohammad is not God.Even in the call for prayers to Allah they need to take the name of a man.
They say that there is only one God, Allah, yet they mean Allah would have to accepted along with Mohammad.Converts have to accept Allah according to Mohammad. It is not Allah alone.
Qadianis(Mirzaities) believe in  Allah and Mohammad.They are in prison in Islamic countries under the Blasphemy Law. The Qadianis accept Allah. They do not believe Mohammad is the last prophet.They use the same Quran as the other Muslims. Yet they are considered to have blasphemed.The are called Mirzaities after the name of their last prophet.The Mirzaities are in jail even though they believe in Allah,Mohammad and the Quran.
So it is not enough for Muslims, that one accepts Allah.It must be Allah according to Mohammad ,who must also be accepted as the last prophet of Allah.
An Iraqi Syro priest recently told the BBC that he would have no problem in afiirming Allah ( the one Creator) but the way the slogan Allah o Akbar is being used by others, frightens him.
The Archdiocese of Trent could call attention to the Kaaba being made of stone and the Quran of paper before there is another attack.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 
 

Things Visible and Invisible

Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and Islam

 
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have announced that they accept all the documents of Vatican Council II and pray for Pope Francis.They are still faithful to their 'old' charism and Fr.Stefano Manelli is still the founder of their community according to their website.
So is there a change in their position on ecumenism, salvation and inter religious dialogue ? Do they still affirm the Syllabus of Errors along with Vatican Council II when they attend the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass.
What is their position on Islam and other religions ? Do they interpret Vatican Council II as supporting the traditional, rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Church Councils, popes and Fr.Leonard Feeney?. Or do they interpret Vatican Council II according to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which infers that the baptism of desire etc refer to known cases in the present times (2015) who are objective exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
This decides how they will interpret salvation with relation to Islam and other religions which are not paths to salvation(Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14 etc).
If for them the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake then Ad Gentes 7 affirms the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.There would be no statement in Vatican Council II which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Here are two passages from Vatican Council II.
The following passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) indicates non Catholics  are on the path to Hell.It is orthodox.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
The following passage in Vatican Council II (AG 7) does not contradict the above passage.
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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
The Letter of the Holy Office made a mistake and this is carried over here in Ad Gentes 7.Since 'who though aware' or who are 'inculpably ignorant' are not relevant to ' all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church' and 'the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door'.Since 'who though aware' or who are 'inculpably ignorant' are not defacto, known cases. So they are not defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are irrelevant.These two 'deadwood statements' in Vatican Council II have come from Boston in 1949.
 
So if the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate are aware of this distinction then Vatican Council II (AG 7.LG 14) says all Muslims and other non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.This would be the Franciscans of the Immaculate position in inter religious dialogue.There is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.
 
Similarly Ad Gentes 7 says all need 'faith and baptism'. Christian churches and communities do not have Catholic Faith which includes the faith and moral teachings of the Church and the Sacraments through which Jesus saves. So Orthodox Christians and Protestants need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell, not only according to Cantante Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 but also Vatican Council II (AG 7). This would  be the Franciscan Sisters of Immaculate  position on ecumenism, in accord with Vatican Council II.
 
The sisters must note that the factual error of the  Letter of the Holy Office 1949 influences magisterial documents. Dominus Iesus does not say that all with no exception need to enter the Church for salvation.1 Similarly the text of Ut Unum Sint does not clearly support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the traditional understanding on ecumenism.2 In a vague wasy it is said that the Church is necessary for salvation and all Christians must accept the papacy. So the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have to be aware of  this error in magisterial documents including the Catechism of the Catholic Church.3

This is the eror in the interpretation of Church-texts  made by Cardinal Braz de Avez and Cardinal Gerhard Muller. It is with this error that they want the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office.

Ask them to make a public correction.They must  encourage all Catholics to  interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Presently, for the cardinals Vatican Council II contradicts itself,contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and is not traditional.It is heretical.It opposes the Nicene Creed (  It is for them,'I believe in three or more known baptisms (without the baptism of water), for the forgiveness of sin  instead of one known baptism, the baptism of water).

So when the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate say they accept all the documents of Vatican Council II they need to clarify their position on this issue.Vatican Council II, for me , indicates all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).The founders of the Mohammadan religion did not have faith and baptism.The Quran shows that they knew about the Church.Yet they did not enter.Vatican Council II tells us that 'those men cannot be saved'(AG 7).Vatican Councl II is in agreement with the Syllabus of Errors and the statements of the popes, on different  religions and Chrisian communities.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Similar to Dominus Iesus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in Ut Unum Sint

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/similar-to-dominus-iesus-and-catechism.html

 
Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate can choose a rational, traditional and non heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II unlike the Vatican Curia
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate-can.html
 
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The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise


It is common knowledge that we cannot see the dead who are in Heaven. CCC 1257-1260 infers that we can!

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/it-is-common-knowledge-that-we-cannot.html

August 30, 2014
CCC 1257 HERESY IS RELATED TO THE HOLY MASS


CARDINAL JOSEPH RATZINGER MADE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (N.1257)

CCC 846 refers to the aphorism outside the church there is no salvation. It was not an aphorism it was a dogma!!


If that line in the Catechism is not wrong, then the only way I can explain it, is as saying God will send those persons who are there without the baptism of water back to earth to be baptised


Either way, with or without the Sacraments the person would not be alive on earth, and so would not be an exception to all needing the baptism of water


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Charlie Hebdo jihad mass murderers identified; two of the three were born in France

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Charlie Hebdo jihad mass murderers identified; two of the three were born in France
 

The 150th anniversary of the Syllabus of Errors is not being celebrated in the Catholic Church since the CDF assumes there are known exceptions to Pope Pius IX in Vatican Council II



Hi ...,
Siate Gesù e Maria fuori di cui non c'e salvezza.



do you know that Vatican II and the Syllabus of Piux IX (we are in the 150 year) are in contradiction?
Lionel:
For me all those who are saved (and who are mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 16,LG 8 etc) are in Heaven.So they are not visible on earth.They are hypothetical cases and so for me they would be saved with the baptism of water. Since Ad Gentes 7 says all need the baptism of water for salvation.
Since they are no tknown to you and me, being in Heaven, they are not visible exceptions to all needing 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) for salvation. They are not exceptions( or even relevant) to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors. Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors.

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So who is right? Vatican II or the Syllabus?

Lionel:
Both are correct, Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors .There is no contradiction.Once it is known that all salvation in Heaven is invisible for us human beings this is not an issue in the Catholic Chruch. There are no visible exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. LG 16,LG 8,NA 2, UR 3 refer to possibilities known only to God and who will be saved also with the baptism of water.(Even if these hypothtical cases are saved without the baptism of water, as some Catholics would say, they are invisible for us).
 
 

For example when Vatican II talks about other religions and confessions.

Lionel:
Can you cite any text in Vatican Council II which says that there are people in other religions or Christian communities known to us who are saved or will be saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith ? There is no such text.
Vatican Council II instead refers to possibilities, hypothetical cases, accepted in principle but not known defacto, in fact, objectively.So these references(LG 16 etc) are not a contradiction to the Syllabus of Errors whose 150 anniversary is not being celebrated in the Catholic Church. Since in general the Vatican Curia, assumes that there are known exceptions to the Syllabus mentioned in Vatican Council II.

 
Syllabus defines it as en error.

Lionel:
It would be an error if there were known cases. We must make the distinction for clarity , between what is visible and invisible, defacto and dejure, objective and subjective, explicit or implicit .LG 16 does not refer to explicit cases.

So Vatican II is not traditional. It simply refuse the Apostolic Tradition to make a new Church.

Lionel:
If you assume that invisible cases are visible for us then Vatican Council II is not traditional. This was the error made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

Look at what its happening now trought the communion to the divorced people and the aceptation of homosexualism. This is not the Catholic Church.

Lionel:
Yes sacrilege is being committed by those who receive and give the Eucharist as such.
 

Only 1 thing is possible to save the “official” Church and make it again catholic. Rewrite totally Vatican II or simply deleting it and referring the doctrine until Vatican I.

Lionel:
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican must clarify that we cannot see the dead in Heaven so there are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors.They must also clarify that being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus or the Syllabus of Errors. The baptism of desire etc are hypothethical for us and so cannot be a defacto exception in 2015 to the traditional 'rigorist interpretation' of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
-Lionel Andrades

Quattro milioni per denigrare la Chiesa


Quattro milioni per denigrare la Chiesa
Quattro milioni per denigrare la Chiesa
Sembra che lo spettacolo presentato più volte da Benigni alla televisione su “I Dieci Comandamenti”, al di là dell’altissima “audience” che di solito accompagna sempre questo attore, indubbiamente di grande capacità, sia stato approvato all’unanimità, applaudito e incoraggiato soprattutto dalle autorità ecclesiastiche, Vescovi, Abati, Cei, encomi su l’Osservatore Romano e su Avvenire, come se fosse ormai l’unica voce di quella Verità di fede che da tempo molti Sacerdoti e Vescovi si rifiutano di insegnare, per lasciarla proclamare ai novelli “apostoli”, meglio detto “apostati”, tanto che perfino papa Francesco sembra si sia congratulato con l’attore al
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Franciscans of the Immaculate incardination in dioceses banned for three years

Conversation with long-time FI confirms “traditionalist” impression of unfair persecution and ascendance of a narrow cabal
http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/conversation-with-long-time-fi-confirms-traditionalist-impression-of-unfair-persecution-and-ascendance-of-a-narrow-cabal/