Thursday, January 1, 2015

It is a fact of life that we cannot see or know exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is not just my opinion

Comments on the article The Divine Infancy on the website Catholicism.org

Brother Andre Marie MICM
you attacked not only our community but one of the other houses of the MICM,Still River.

Lionel:
I mentioned that the two houses are using an irrational premise and conclusion in the interpretation of Vatican Council II with respect to the dogma which you have not denied and you consider it an attack.
Since you do not disagree and neither does the other house why don't you just admit there is a problem and rectify it.
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you opinion regarding theories of baptism of desire and invincible ignorance not being exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Lionel:
My opinion? It is a fact of life that we cannot see or know exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is not just my opinion,
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You admitted that there is o philosophical or theological principle underlying your excogitations on the matter.

Lionel:
I refuse to make a theological or philosophical principle on allegedly being able to see the dead saved with the baptism of desire etc.

Without this irrationality theology and philosophy becomes traditional.I do not have to create a new one.
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I politely stated that I did not accept your empiricism and illustrated why it is in appropriate in Catholic theology.

Lionel:
My empiricism? It is a fact of life that we cannot see the dead and upon this irrationality( of being ale to see dead saved with the baptism of desire etc) the two houses are interpreting Vatican Council II.
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You now persist not  only in re-asking the same questions of me in different words but in a slanderous talk of more than one MICM house

Lionel:
1.You did not respond to the question,when I asked, if you accepted the theology of Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson and the Benedictine Dean of Theology. They are saying the same thing as me.

2.Neither did you comment on your interpretation of Vatican Council II being a break with the dogma, because LG 16 etc would be an exception.
I also mentioned that there are no exceptions for me in Vatican Council II to the dogma and you did not comment.
-Lionel Andrades
http://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-241.html#comment-1766045393




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